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Hard drive?.. Event 51 (paging), 50 (write failed) and 12 (drive dissapeared) on my DAW!!


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#1 davidtams

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 04:49 PM

Please guide me ASAP so that i dont lose all my songs!!!

Ive been working on mixing and editing my bands songs for a month now and I got some serious errors last night, causing me to lose data and completely lock my pc right up. Tried googling, probably gonna have drive failure, but there were so many varied responses to these event error numbers....

1. maybe a coincidence, maybe the cause to the problem... I just replaced my PSU from one underrated for my system that was dropping on the +12v rail, to a 430 watt antec truepower... Intel desktop Util reports good stable voltages now, but im not ruling it out cause i swapped the PSU to the new one 6 hours before this happened.

2. IDU acts funny often on this... app hangs sometimes, the related program Adminworksagent x6 hangs up sometimes. Wierd thing is, as i was rendering a track, i opened up the IDU to check my voltagees and temps (new cooler too) and that is when i had the data loss, errors, and complete system hang up. dont know if it caused it or not.

3. the next time i booted up, PC was responding wierd ( mouse and window movement hanging a 1 second intervals... I opened up task manager, and IDU was causing what looked like a sawtooth pattern on my cpu graph... 2% to 0% to 2% to 0%... all in exact half second increments, repeated for minutes untill i opened IDU and closed it.
-Also for some reason my 2nd monitor had no signal when i booted this time. After that i rebooted and all is normal...

4. playback of that song will result now in the PC locking up completely every time when i get to the end of the song. Not good. I havent tried other songs since this, i dont want my drive to kick the bucket before i back it up... which forces me to ask...
-Is this drive gonna lock up when i try to salvage the data on it?
Is there a drive imager out there that i can uncheck this particular song's folder so it doesnt lock up when i make an image?

Could it be a memory issue? ive heard a lot of things it could be...
I can't guess here cause my band's near future is directly tied into this nightmare of a PC im working on.

my ****ty PC is an intel d915gag board,
P4 3.2 with HT (ive heard something about the HT causing this too)
drive that lost data is a MAXTOR 7y250m0 ( always runs warmer and noisy )
512 *2 geil matched set RAM
+ 256 *2 Nanya RAM
dual monitor vid card, some cheap nvidia one
M audio delta 1010lt audio card
primary drive is a WD 80 gig
Win XP sp3
yadda yadda..

Oh yeah, this happened a day after i downloaded the latest version of Reaper (DAW software)... who likes to keep you on your toes with updates...


Event log in order of occurence:

event id #57:
The system failed to flush data to the transaction log. Corruption may occur.

event 26: (numerous instances)
Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\$Mft. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\$Mft. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects\Void\void hates me2.wav_stems_-17-Dfh Sampler.wav. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\$BitMap. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects\Void. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects\Void\void hates me2.wav_stems_-17-Dfh Sampler.wav.reapeaks. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Event ID 51:

An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation.

event ID 26:

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects\Void\void hates me2.wav_stems_-17-Dfh Sampler.wav. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Event ID 50:

{Delayed Write Failed} Windows was unable to save all the data for the file . The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Event ID 12:

The device 'Maxtor 7Y250M0' (IDE\DiskMaxtor_7Y250M0__________________________Y AR511W0\36594e364b444535202020202020202020202020) disappeared from the system without first being prepared for removal.

Event ID 57: (4 of these in a row)

The system failed to flush data to the transaction log. Corruption may occur.

event ID 50:

{Delayed Write Failed} Windows was unable to save all the data for the file . The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Event ID 26

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\Reaper projects\Void\void hates me2.wav_stems_-17-Dfh Sampler.wav. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

followed by one more event 57.

Like i said now when i try to play the song, it gets towardss the end, the transport flashes red (read failure) and PC locks up completely.


Am I correct in assuming it's the drive, or could it be one of the other things i mentioned??

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#2 davidtams

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 04:50 PM

I guess a drive image wont be needed, as its not the operating system drive... Just ALL my music, band music, VST instruments... you know, all the important stuff...
So I assume i should be fine if I copy everything except for the faulted song... But im confused about all those other files that corrupted, like D:\$Mft and the reaper project folder, and D:\$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J.
What should i include/exclude when i copy the data?

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 05:22 PM

Have you run the appropriate diagnostic on your hard drive? That's the first hardware item that I would check.

Hard Drive Diagnostic Tools

Use the tool which matches the brand of hard drive you have. You can find the manufacturer/model of hard drive by looking in Device Manager, under Disk Drives.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:04 PM

I have not run any diagnostics on it, from what i understand this is a sign that it will fail very soon, I just want to get this data transferred to a new drive ASAP... I dont want to stress it and have the thing completely die on me.
So i just bought one, gonna see how the transfer goes. Im hoping my PC doesnt lock up when i get to those files, im gonna try to avoid them.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 01:23 AM

I ran the windows error check util, deffinately strugled at one point, but made it through. Might be having problems, now when i play any song in my DAW, and WAV audio tracks that are playing will stutter and play poorly. (muting all of the WAV's and letting the midi instruments playback is fine, those are tiny files)... Hopefully this is just the drive and when i transfer it will magically be alright... If not, well i guess life sucks for me cause all those WAV tracks will have to be re-rendered. Lucky for me is most of my projects are just midi based vst instruments, so im not losing any recorded material. Thank god we didnt get to that point yet.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 04:18 AM

Looks like that drive is having considerable problems, Delayed Write Failure can be disastrous for the NTFS file system. If you're lucky and the error check has sufficiently circumvented the corruption, copy all the files off onto another drive immediately.

What could be well worth checking straight away is the SATA connection to that drive. Delayed write failures, the Event ID 12 (unexpected disconnection) and the present stuttering could indicate a bad SATA cable or poor/loose connector. If this is the cause, it would be best to correct it before doing a backup.

And I guess you know what I'm going to say to you now: Have backups, have backups, have backups!! These days when a 500GB or 1TB USB drive can be had for the cost of a few copies of Computer Music Magazine, and burning a DVD costs so little, it's not worth going without backups.

Also I would suggest avoiding version updates of your DAW in the middle of a project, or at least run a good testing session on something not vital if you feel you really need the update before the project will be done.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:47 AM

Platypus: my sata data (haha) cable seems fine as well as the power to the drive ( i once used a sata PSU adaptor from china and the connection was bad... made a very loud click when it lost power... not doing that now)

I Wanted to apply the Reaper (DAW) update because it resolved a memory leak in the MIDI editor and I was having crashes before because of it.

Keep in mind im on a budjet machine, obviously not up to todays standards, but seemed to be handling my task pretty well, instable software issues aside. My plan was to buy another drive and back it all up, but i lost my job a month ago and the band and I are counting on this thing so we can perform live to backing tracks with drums sequenced in... in other words, i didnt have the $$ to buy a drive till this was finished... Ive had to upgrade the cpu cooler, ram, and PSU just for this project. And i was hoping my drives were gonna make it, but Murphy's law follows me around like my shadow. What can go wrong, well you know.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:49 AM

Alright, starting to pull my hair out...
Started Using Easus partition manager last night about 8 hours ago... set it up to copy, was seeing some progress and the drive sounder normal, ran good for about 5 or 10 minutes, then slowed to a near standstill.
Its still working... I think, but the drive is only seeking maybe once a minute or so, with lots of silence in between... I was listening to it last night and very very faintly, in between lots of silence from the drive, i could hear a short high pitched buzzy kind of noise, from the drive ( i think it was from that drive...)

computer is not locked up, but its wierd...
I have an intel board with a P4 3.2 processor, and even tho it is single core, I think because of the dual channel memory, XP shows me two CPU graphs.... during this process, since it hit its problem area, for the last 8 hours my CPU grapph on the right is constantly pegged to the top, with small, evenly spaced drops in use, each time returning to redline. My CPU graph on the other side looks completely normal, fluctuating in relation to the load that i am putting on the PC. Google chrome opened up in 2 seconds flat and seems just fine, but other areas of the PC are bogged down... for example mouse movement, and window moving... both glitchy right now. Also XP system sounds are playing all distorted and choppy right now. weird.

I really dont know wether to start thinking it could be something else like the RAM... any thoughts? Ive never seen my CPU graph look like that... acting like its dedicating one channel for the operation but maybe its normal. anyone know about the dual channel setup and HT on a pentium?

well i gained 1% on progress, guess ill leave it going. last nite it hit its wall at 74% and im at 88% now. only time will tell. If this doesnt work i guess ill try copying folder at a time, and try not to copy the faulted files.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:15 AM

Oh and the stuttering of audio tracks (in the Reaper folder) was a result of running error scan. My gut feeling was to leave the drive alone, should have went with it.

But now while this Easus process is running, Windows sounds- like clicks and warnings, are played the same, sound like sh!t. My system drive is fine, so why is windows acting funny? do i have a RAM issue?

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 05:47 PM

Showing two CPUs is due to the processor having HyperThreading, this is normal. Two threads can run simultaneously without time slicing on the HT enabled P4, so a resource meter shows the activity of each thread.

The recovery process also sounds normal for a drive with problems, leave it going and cross all your fingers. If a drive is having lots of errors, Ultra DMA will drop back to PIO mode, which is very CPU intensive and runs as a single thread. And it's probably having to do a heck of a lot of re-reads.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:46 PM

OK... Good news/Bad news+more bad news-

Good news is, the data transfer was successful, all my tracks play perfectly (except the one that it failed on) and having auto save set to 5 minute intervals in Reaper saved me from all but the last 5 minutes...

Bad news is, since i didnt have time to shop around, I wound up buying the most unreliable drive in the world apparently. Barricuda 500GB. Took a look at Newegg and saw that maybe 1 out of 4 reviews said that their drive only lasted months. On top of that, they send you a refurbished as a replacement. Not the kind of drive I wanted to buy for a DAW. All i wanted was a SATA cable and i was gonna back it up to a 2.5 drive i had laying around, a WD 160 GB. which leads to more bad news.
After having good luck copying to the new 500Gb drive, i decided to format the 160Gb drive for a backup disk. It seemed to work just fine i had used it to move some big files without a problem. Had Vista on it from what i can tell, for an HP laptop. Drive is 2 yrs old. Was formatting, slowly, looked like it was gonna be another hour so i took off. When i came back the Drive DISSAPEARED and has the click of death.

The device 'WDC WD1600BEVS-60RST0' (IDE\DiskWDC_WD1600BEVS-60RST0___________________04.01G04\5&158863d3&0&0.0.0) disappeared from the system without first being prepared for removal.

This happened at 10:53 and I started formating it around 6:00

I rebooted and the bios screen hung, xp splash screen hung, finally finished booting and no drive, still click of death.


Really?? 2 fried drives in 48hrs???
the cables all seem fine and tight. What is up with this?

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 02:53 AM

The data copy is a pleasing result. If I recall correctly, the 500GB Seagates with early firmware versions suffered high failure rates with the drives locking up and not being recognised, then to add insult to injury, the firmware update issued to deal with this rendered a lot of drives useless. I don't remember recent drives having these issues.

Troubles with the second drive is a thing. Is it in a USB enclosure? My observation of hard drives in laptops is their reliability can be marred by operating at higher temperatures and potentially being subject to vibration and impact.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:04 PM

No, the laptop drive was connected straight to my board via SATA cable, no case. I'm thinking it was just a coincidence cause thats my luck for one, and the drive was given to me an an "extra" that was thrown in with a bunch of soundcards and recording gear that i bought off this guy on craigslist.
This is the seagate drive i bought, not sure what the firmware would be. I bought it at Best Buy, not newegg tho.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148221
As you can see the reviews suck. in fact ive never seen a product of any kind have a failure rate like this. Best Buy will take it back within 14 days...

So... any suggestions for replacing my system drive now? trusty WD is gettin to be 6 yrs old i better change it out. I want to go 10,000 rpm i think. 80 GB would be fine for this drive

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 05:25 AM

Every manufacturer goes through a bad patch sometimes, it's difficult to make an absolute recommendation. I always try to use either Seagate or Western Digital, and I suspect overall WD has the edge. But there have been times in the past when they've had a bad run. The bad reports on your Seagate seem mainly to be from a while ago.

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 06:23 AM

Ive been doing alot of research on new egg lately before i finally bought my hard drive, i found that one of the best drives right now as far as stability and reliability goes, is the WD Caviar Black. just some FYI

Best Buys Return Policy for HD's is 30 days, 14 days is for a whole computer, also just FYI
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