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#1 Shadow6697

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:29 PM

Alright, I'm looking to upgrade my processor, GFX card, and RAM. I already have my eyes on this processor. What I need help on is deciding what GFX card and RAM to get (looking to get 4GB) GFX card price range 80-100 bucks. Since its four GB, about 70-100 bucks for RAM as well. I've also got my eye on this set of RAM. I want a quality video card and RAM. Enough to run atleast 40-60 FPS on a game like MW2. I play Counter-Strike:Source a lot, and I get 10-30fps in that game. I decided since Christmas was coming up, look for new computer upgrades.

Here are my specs off a forum from xFire


Manufacturer:
MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD
Processor:
Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 2.66GHz, ~2.7GHz
Memory:
2048MB RAM
Hard Drive:
1 TB Total
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS
Monitor:
22" HP L2045w
Sound Card:
Speakers (High Definition Audio Device)
Speakers/Headphones:
Turtlebeach x11s
Keyboard:
USB Root Hub
Mouse:
USB Root Hub
Mouse Surface:
Operating System:
Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100226-1909)
Motherboard:
MSI G31M3-L V2 LGA775 mATX
Computer Case:

Pretty much, the main question(s) is, will this processor and ram run on my motherboard? I've done some research and I think it does. I'm not sure. If you can find better RAM than the one listed, let me know please :D
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My GFX card is PCI-E x16. I know that for sure. I just don't know the maximum my motherboard supports (PCI-E specifically). Just post all the decent PCI-E cards you can find!

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Would this be a good video card? It looks good. Would it run on my computer, that is the question!

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Here is what my cart looks like.
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It consists of all of the items I thought about getting.

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#2 tg1911

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 08:56 PM

The first thing I notice is, the RAM you have selected is DDR3.
That board only supports 1.8 Volt DDR2.
You need to be looking for something in this category:
1.8 Volt DDR2
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 10:11 AM

So, that processor and video card would work fine on my computer? Or no?

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Here is what I can pick from based on your post. Which one should I get?I mean, I was looking at the first one (Corsair XMS2) because thats what I currently have is Corsair memory. Is this a decent memory brand based on a lot of peoples opinions, or no? If I can't end up getting the memory (Probably not, three items = 325 bucks) I really want to get the processor and video card. I currently have 2GB of RAM, which is decent enough. Do you think I could go without the memory?

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What video card would the one I picked out (XFX Radeon HD 4670 1024MB DDR2 PCIe Video Card) be compared to as a nVidia card. I mean, what card is its equal in nVidia stardards (eg. HD 4500= xxxGTX)

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My cart is the same thing just w/o the memory ($209.86)

Edited by Shadow6697, 23 October 2010 - 10:25 AM.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 12:36 PM

According to the specs I found on your motherboard, that CPU should work:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium and Celeron in the LGA775 package


Corsair, is a quality manufacturer of RAM.
With the choices of RAM you have selected, I would go with one of the first 2.
Personally, I'd select the second one.
It has better reviews, on Newegg, where it's also $25 cheaper, and free shipping. :thumbsup:

As far as which video card to choose, I bow to those more knowledgeable, than I. :huh:
I'm sure someone will weigh in, before too long.
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 04:34 PM

Okay, thanks for all your help TG! I will take your choice into consideration! I would get the 2nd pair, as it seems of a higher quality, but I don't believe I can order stuff from Newegg. As in my father, who'd have to hide it from me, heh! But, I will talk to him tonight about it. Thanks for your help again TG

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:44 PM

You're quite welcome, Jon.
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:19 AM

Sorry I'm a little late to the post, been quite busy. Anyway, your computer seems to be a very mid-level system, nothing too remarkable. Have you considered a Radeon 5 series card or even a brand-new Radeon 6 card? If they don't break your budget, you should really consider them as they are often faster than the Radeon 4 series card you chose. The GIGABYTE GV-R577UD-1GD Radeon HD 5770 is a great card for many users, the GIGABYTE GV-R685D5-1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB is even more powerful, brand new, and can be had for a little more money. I suggest a 500W or greater power supply if you choose these cards, Corsair, Silverstone, Seasonic, Thermaltake, and PC Power all make good PSU's. If this is going to be a gaming PC, I suggest a CPU that is quad core with a clock speed of 2.8GHz. or greater. According to this page at MSI for the G31M3-L V2 motherboard you've got, the Core 2 Quad Q8300 is not supported. I'm not entirely sure why, most 95W Core 2 CPU's are supported.

If you don't want to go through a huge overhaul, replacing the motherboard, reinstalling the OS, go to that MSI page I linked to, pick a supported CPU, pair that with the RAM tg1911 suggested. You may need to update the BIOS to get the motherboard to recognize the CPU, though.

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 03:08 PM

Luckily I had this bookmarked and I decided to check on it :D

But anyways, I talked to my dad about my cart last night. He (we're a middle-ish-class family) didn't like the idea of a quad core, so he edged me to get this dual-core processor. I didn't argue with him really. I'm not looking to play games like Crysis. I'm usually going to stick along the lines of CS:S, CoD 4, Insurgency, Portal, and a couple others. I'm not looking to play games from 2010 and such either. I just want a card that'll be supportive of my motherboard. I can support up to DDR2, and PCI-E x16 (D:). I'm still favoring towards this card. There are no cards that are in the HD 5k's that are DDR2 sadly. This is really just so I know what to watch out for when Black Friday (mainly) comes. Is there another DDR2 PCI-E x16 nVidia card that is pretty good? Price range 100-150 dollars.

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 06:02 PM

A graphics card is not like RAM, when you're considering compatibility.
Because your mobo supports DDR2 RAM, does not mean that's what you're limited to with a GPU.
No matter GPU DDR value, all are compatible with your board, as long as you have a PCI-E x16 slot, and PCI-E x16 card.
The DDR reference on a card, refers to the cards memory.
The higher the DDR value on the card, the faster the cards memory.
It acts independent of your boards memory.
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Posted 29 October 2010 - 09:12 PM

Dual core will get you by for the foreseeable future, but newer programs are taking advantage of the quad core technologies. The graphics card is independent of the rest of the motherboard, unless you are wanting to use SLI or Crossfire, so it shouldn't matter what PCI-E X16 card you get. Also, you do not have to stay brand loyal (AMD/ATI or Nvidia) if there is a good deal, unless, again, you want to use SLI or Crossfire. Nvidia cards are often more expensive and aren't quite as good with value versus performance. Notice the memory on a graphics card, some list DDR whereas others list GDDR. GDDR is different from DDR and is optimized for graphics cards.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 10:05 AM

So, I could get a GDDR5 card for example, and it will run?

I'll take that into consideration.

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Still can't really find anything besides the Radeon HD 4670. I couldn't find any 5000+'s that were PCI-E x16. I saw PCI-E x16 with like 20 GFX cards, but it was a mixture of about two PCI-E x16 cards and all others were 2.0 and 2.1 x16 PCI-E. I did happen to find these two nVidia cards though : GeForce GTS 250 and GeForce GTS 250 both with plenty of video ram :D But, will these run? I'm pretty sure they will, I'm just not to sure. Also, what is the difference between nVidia GTcards and GTS cards? Are the GTS's newer or what?

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I'm hoping to have a job sometime soon, so I don't think I would worry about getting a quad-core and memory. I also don't plan on going SLi or CrossFireX as I have my big plumpy 22 inch HP L2045w monitor. So I don't want a really high end video card either.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 08:09 PM

PCI-E is fully backwards compatible with previous standards. A PCI-E 2.1 card will work in a 1.0 slot just fine. All Radeon HD 5000 cards are either 2.0 or 2.1.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:38 PM

Microcenter doesn't exactly have a broad selection of parts like Newegg or Tigerdirect, and their prices are usually a little higher. If you want to stay with Microcenter, they do have a compatible Radeon 5770, the Diamond Radeon 5770 1GB. If you want to save money and go with Newegg, the HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB is also compatible. All of the Radeon 5 and 6 cards are PCI Express X16 and will work in any PCI-E X16 slot as they are backwards compatible. Nvidia renames cards from time to time, the GTS 250 is essentially a rebranded 9800 GTX. A Radeon 5770 will surpass a GTS 250 for around the same price. Nvidia's naming scheme is not as straightforward as ATI/AMD's who favor simply using higher numbers to indicate performance. With Nvidia, they use abbreviations along with numbers. GT cards are lower-end cards, GTS is usually the mid-range cards, and the GTX is the performance cards.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:43 PM

Okay, I did not know that. A card that is PCI-E 2.1 x16, lets say, a Radeon HD 5000, would run on my computer as long as it states its backwards compatible? How would I know for sure its backwards compatible? Will it say so directly on the site or will I have to Google it?

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This GFX card looks pretty good, and from what I've gathered from past knowledge, Diamond is a good GFX card company as for gaming. Is it backwards compatible? Is there some easy way I could find out if it is or not?

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Ooooh, and then there is this one. I hope at least one of them are backwards compatible! By the way, if anyone wants to see my options (in my own opinions in certain categories), I'm searching for ATi GFX cards, under GDDR5. (Here!)

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:19 PM

They all are backwards compatible. As we have previously stated, PCI-E is fully backwards compatible with previous standards.
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