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#1 odie462

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:32 PM

I'm building a new computer for my daughter, and will be using the HDD out of her HP Pavillion, Sempron 2.0, which I advised her not to buy. My question: is there anything I can do to the HDD just in case it doesn’t want to work with the new components because they are different than the original HP? It currently runs Windows 7, but she doesn't have a disk as the HDD is partitioned into a C: and D:, with the D: having the backup or restore capability. It does suggest making a restore disk, but won't that just put the same specs back on the HDD?

The reason I’m asking, is when I built my first computer, it was because the Dell I had at the time fried 7 times before the warranty expired. I learned through research that we were expecting to much (mostly games) from a weak PSU and no airflow. I kept the HDD out of the Dell, but when I hooked everything up, some of the components was not recognized because I had changed from the Dell components. I had to purchase a new OS ( xp), reformat, and install drivers and such myself. I understand that we will have to purchase a new OS for her computer down the road, but I’m wondering if there is anything I can do to get her new computer up and running first and buy the new OS later.

Now for the components:

She mainly uses the computer for the Sims series of games, after that, just internet. As times are tough right at the moment, I'm trying to do the build with a budget of a little over $400, which I believe will be closer to $500-$600 by the time I'm finished(buying a few parts when I can).

Already have:

DVD
HDD

Just purchased:

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817341016
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7

Getting:

MB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131656
ASUS M4A77T/USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103871
AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Graphics card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102855
SAPPHIRE 100296HDMI Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231253
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT


Sorry this post is so long, and thanks in advance for suggestions.

odie462

ETA: one more question, I've looked at windows 7 for system builders. Would that be a good option? It says that Microsoft doesn't provide end user support. Exactly what does that mean? Will they still provide regular updates like SP1 if needed?

Thanks again

Edited by odie462, 18 August 2010 - 09:14 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 11:43 PM

When you take a hdd with a Windows OS installed on it that you have been using on one computer and then install it as a master in another computer you are asking for major problems. The excerpt below is from a Intel article which describes in detail what happens. The article also mentions a reference to an article by Microsoft, it can be seen here .

"Moving a hard drive with Windows* 2000 or Windows XP* already installed to a new motherboard without reinstalling the operating system is not recommended.

If a hard drive is moved to a new computer, the registry entries and drivers for the mass storage controller hardware on the new motherboard are not installed in Windows for the new computer and you may not be able to start Windows. This is documented in Microsoft's knowledge base article. This is true even if you move the hard drive to a motherboard with the same chipset, as different hardware revisions can cause this issue as well.

Additionally, moving a hard drive to a new motherboard may not exhibit any errors until you install new IDE drivers. This is because each chipset uses a different Plug-n-Play (PNP) ID to identify it. If you move your motherboard, your registry will have multiple PNP IDs (for the old hardware as well as the new hardware). If there are multiple entries in the registry, Windows cannot determine which hardware to initialize and therefore fails with a STOP error."


Alternatively, the method below can be tried, but I would back up all of your important files to removable media like CDs, DVDs, Flash drives, or a second hdd.

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:15 AM

Thanks dc3, so do you think the windows 7 for system builders will be ok. I am just unsure what I'll be able to do with it. For instance, if down the road, the HDD crashes and I have to get another one, will I be able to reload the same windows os, or will I have to get another copy? Will Microsoft still do major updates or will I have to purchase another OS. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't understand fully what is meant by the "end user is responsible for support".

Thanks for your help

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:40 PM

Your OEM Operating System (windows 7 for system builders) will be tied to your motherboard.
Changing any other component (HDD, PSU, GPU, etc) won't affect your copy of Windows.
You'll still be able to use the same copy, unless you change the motherboard.

A retail copy would allow you to use it on any computer, regardless of motherboard, but only on one computer at a time.
So, if you wanted to move it to another computer, you would have to remove it from the original one.

.... what is meant by the "end user is responsible for support".

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