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BSOD's during W7 clean install


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#1 RealityEclipse1

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 12:30 PM

Hello folks,

I'm having a heck of a time getting Windows 7 to do a clean install and any advice would be much appreciated. I recently purchased some older gen parts and threw together a gaming pc with them, later finding out that nvidia and microsoft don't get along these days... I'm trying to get running :

EVGA 750i ftw mobo
E8500 pentium Dual Core
4gig (2 2gig stix) OCZgold 1066 ddr2
Ultra 750w sli ready psu
wd caviar black 1tb sata hd
2 EVGA geforce 9800 gt in sli
CoolerMaster v8 CPU cooler
Windows 7 Home 64bit

This system was operational for about a month until about a week ago, though it had all kinds of trouble getting w7 installed in the first place then as well, lots of bsod's about half way through a clean install. Finally got it to go all the way through after about 20 tries at install and it worked fine for a month, until....

I was overclocking the e8500 and windows decided to flip out from all the rebooting, started getting stuck at the loading screen. Backed my overclock down (which was never over 3.8 to start with) cause i was only trying to get it maxed on stock voltage and i figured this had to be causing the windows issue since i hadn't made any other changes to the machine. Well, when i backed it down a hair to where it had been stable, it started bsod'ing before booting all the way in, wouldn't even get to the load screen anymore. It let me boot into safe mode once, tried to roll back to a restore point, restore blue screened and failed half way through so it didn't complete, and that was all she wrote. Couldn't get back into the system normally or safe mode.

My first thought was hard drive may have crapped out, but that has since been tested for 12+hours and passed all tests.
figured while I was at it I'd check the ram, ram also has passed overnight tests, in different slots, together and one stick at a time. So, unless it's the mobo itself (which i doubt with the specific errors I've gotten) it's not a hardware issue.

I have wiped the hard drive using the security wipe feature in Microscope, which if you haven't heard of is a hardware diagnostic and utility software suite, so I'm starting with a clean, fresh drive again.

Put in W7 disc and restart computer, it will boot off the disc, get into the initial startup procedures for install, let me make partitions and format them, and then once I choose one to install on, it goes to the main install screen, says the files have been copied, but then sits on expanding for about 5 mins at 0% before bsod'ing, over, and over, and over.

I have gotten all kinds of different error codes including

0x00000024
0x00000050
0x00000109
0x0000001E
0x0000007E
0x0000003B
0x00000019

and one error in the startup for the install intself that said "Modification of system code or a critical data structure was detected" and gave an error code of 0xC00000015

Most of these errors seemed to have something to do with memory, cache, or the ntfs file system. The most common one by far has been the 0x24 which is a problem with NTFS.

Steps I've tried to fix this so far. All peripherals have been disconnected except keyboard, mouse and monitor.

Taken out a stick of ram, taken out the other stick and put the first one back, moved them around to different slots together, and one a time.

Taken out the sli cable and second graphics card. Switched which card was in one at a time.

Disconnected and reconnected all sata cables to the mobo and on the drives, plugged sata cables into different mobo connecters.

Read a few bios settings that could have something to do with it based on other people with the 750i ftw mobo having problems with w7, so I've disabled the cachable bios, and changed a few other other things, but eventually it's all back to stock now that none of it has worked.

If anyone has any help to offer, I'm pretty desperate, this has been driving me nuts for days now..... Thank you!

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 01:40 PM

If you are doing clean installs...and getting STOP 24 (NTFS.sys) errors...I'd have go with the hard drive as number 1 suspect.

What diagnostic did you run on the drive?

http://support.wdc.com/product/download.as...613&lang=en

You might try a "low-level format", using Data Lifeguard.

Can you try a different drive?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 12:43 AM

I used Microscope and Sea Tools (yes I know it's not "designed" for WD drives, but it will read some of them, which this is one) and it's passed overnight full runs with both. I had not used the WD software because it doesn't look like it's bootable, according to the info on their site, you have to be in windows to use it. If this isn't the case, let me know, but that's why I hadn't gone that route. If I can find an IDE cable I have an old drive that I can throw in and try the install, if I come across one and can try that, I'll let ya know. Thanks for the reply!

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 01:41 PM

Hi,

I had a similar situation on my last build and what I found in the end was that one of the memory sticks was not seated just right.

Hope that helps

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:28 PM

Try removing one of the video cards, and see if it continues. Your PSU maybe inadequate for your setup.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:20 PM

Hello I would like to contribute some suggestions to the other good advice offered to this thread.

I would like you to re-inspect the processor for a possible cooling issues.

Was thermal compound used between the mating surfaces of the heat sink and the processor?

Have you re-checked that the heat sink is firmly seated on the processor core?

Have you tried going to your BIOS set up utility and selected load system defaults, or load fail-safe defaults? Choosing these options during trouble-shooter procedures resets the BIOS to its default fail safe settings, at times, this allows possible incorrect settings to be set back to recommended settings, that allow the computer to boot properly.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:38 PM

Memory and cpu voltages may need to be tweaked too.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:17 PM

Appreciate all the responses. After running every test you can think of, changing bios settings, updating bios and a hundred or so install attempts I am now down to cpu and mobo as the possible culprits, and leaning toward cpu. I have tried the ram, hard drive and install disk in a different machine and had no problems whatsoever installing and running w7, so it's definitely a hard ware issue, and not in the hd, ram or install disk. I'll be ordering a new q9550 or q9650 in the next couple weeks and hopefully that fixes the issues. If not, I shall return. Thanks again for the responses/advice!

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:20 PM

Did you remove one of the video cards?

Also what kind of PSU do you have? Can you provide the model number?

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:32 PM

Yes the video cards have been tried one a time, both at once, in and out of sli, if there's a hardware config I can change to attempt install, it's been done ;) As for the power supply it's a brand new 750w Ultra sli ready, here's the tigerdirect link 750W Ultra PSU Can tell you for sure, unfortunately, that the vid cards and psu have nothing to do with the problem =( thank you though!

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:38 PM

Each of those cards require 26Amps on the 12volt RAIL so you probably have damaged the Power Supply which can cause weird issues such as the BSOD's that you are experiencing. You should be using a PSU that has at most 60Amps on the 12 volt RAILS to supply your computer with the power it needs to perform well.

26 amps * 2 = 52 Amps which is 7 amps more then your PSU can deliver.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:17 PM

The specs on the cards says 24amps on the 12v, but even at that it would be 3 amps short so I can see what you're saying. It's been really rare for the cards to be sli'd as one came doa and then one had a problem with the fan hitting the heatsink so they've both been rma'd at different times, but it has run a little bit in sli, so i suppose that could cause a psu issue. Missed that the amps were a little off when I ordered the psu, so thank you for pointing that out. I'll upgrade the psu when i order the new processor, and hopefully one or the other solves the issue.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:21 PM

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply 129.99 and it has 70A on the 12 volt rail. Should be enough for you. Also probably cheaper then a new motherboard and CPU.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:35 PM

Looks like a good choice. I had planned on upgrading the processor anyway so that's not a big deal, if it turns out that neither of those fix it and it's something in the chipset/mobo, it's still under warranty ;)




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