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Opinions on a video card?


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#1 OS51

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 11:46 PM

Hey y'all. I've gotten together a list of some video cards that seem both good and inexpensive. I was wondering what you folks think would be the best choice from them:

Sapphire Vapor: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...2-865-_-Product

Sapphire Vapor (cheaper): http://www.computerdumb.com/sapphire-radeo...card-100284vxl/

You'll notice for this one (above, the cheaper Sapphire Vapor) it is cheaper on this site than on New Egg. I was also hoping to get an opinion of that site.

Sapphire Radeon HD 5770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102858

Asus: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...1-356-_-Product

Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...5-328-_-Product

EVGA: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130555

Thanks!
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:24 AM

Of those cards, the two highest performing ones are going to be the saphire 5770 and the EVGA 465. the 5750 is a notch below the 5770, (not much of one though theyre fairly equal) though the vapor model will have better cooling, though the cooling on all of them should be more then sufficient. Gigabyte and ASUS are also good brands, but if it were my choice of a card, in that list, I would choose the Saphire 5770.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:42 PM

I've read (and have to agree) that ATI drivers are hard to deal with. For example at this time I have the HD 3200 integrated Radeon, and I've had trouble knowing whether to choose Radeon drivers or Integrated drivers. Could it be that the GeForce is easier to figure out? I also read that ATI's models have certain bugs that the GeForce don't. You're the second person to tell me to pick the 5770, but I was thinking the EVGA looked good. GeForce, apparently better cooling, very quiet, and very powerful. What do you think (anyone else who wants to add opinions on this question or the original list please don't hesitate :thumbsup:).

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 01:35 PM

they both have their bugs, and yes, ATI is known for having driver issues, however thats typically only when the card first comes out, with later revisions of the drivers they always fix them, and all the cards listed have been out long enough that theyve ironed out most if not all the bugs in the drivers. as far as your radeon 3200, it is an ATI chipset-you could use the windows default driver and probably work, or you could download the catalyst drivers from ATI, either way it would probably work fine with that low end of a card. As far as cooling, that EVGA card does have good cooling, and ATI cards are known to run a bit hot, however, all the cards you listed have adequate if not better cooling, and in fact, if that was your concern that vaporx 5750 will have better cooling then any of the others listed, and the gigabyte and ASUS cards both have non standard cooling that ought to be more then adequate. The cooling on the saphire 5770 is their standard cooling package, I Have that set up on my saphire 3870 x2 and it works very well.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 05:42 PM

I've read (and have to agree) that ATI drivers are hard to deal with. For example at this time I have the HD 3200 integrated Radeon, and I've had trouble knowing whether to choose Radeon drivers or Integrated drivers. Could it be that the GeForce is easier to figure out? I also read that ATI's models have certain bugs that the GeForce don't. You're the second person to tell me to pick the 5770, but I was thinking the EVGA looked good. GeForce, apparently better cooling, very quiet, and very powerful. What do you think (anyone else who wants to add opinions on this question or the original list please don't hesitate :thumbsup:).

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they both have their bugs, and yes, ATI is known for having driver issues, however thats typically only when the card first comes out, with later revisions of the drivers they always fix them, and all the cards listed have been out long enough that theyve ironed out most if not all the bugs in the drivers. as far as your radeon 3200, it is an ATI chipset-you could use the windows default driver and probably work, or you could download the catalyst drivers from ATI, either way it would probably work fine with that low end of a card. As far as cooling, that EVGA card does have good cooling, and ATI cards are known to run a bit hot, however, all the cards you listed have adequate if not better cooling, and in fact, if that was your concern that vaporx 5750 will have better cooling then any of the others listed, and the gigabyte and ASUS cards both have non standard cooling that ought to be more then adequate. The cooling on the saphire 5770 is their standard cooling package, I Have that set up on my saphire 3870 x2 and it works very well.



That's FUD actually. I've been using nothing but ATi since 2002 and never have issues with ATi's Catalyst drivers. That's 8 years of solid and stable drivers. That covers the following video cards:

Radeon 9700 Pro (2002)
Radeon X800XT All-in-Wonder (2005)
Radeon X1900XT (2006)
Radeon HD 4830 (2009)
Radeon HD 5850 (2009)

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 06:12 PM

they both have their bugs, and yes, ATI is known for having driver issues, however thats typically only when the card first comes out, with later revisions of the drivers they always fix them, and all the cards listed have been out long enough that theyve ironed out most if not all the bugs in the drivers. as far as your radeon 3200, it is an ATI chipset-you could use the windows default driver and probably work, or you could download the catalyst drivers from ATI, either way it would probably work fine with that low end of a card. As far as cooling, that EVGA card does have good cooling, and ATI cards are known to run a bit hot, however, all the cards you listed have adequate if not better cooling, and in fact, if that was your concern that vaporx 5750 will have better cooling then any of the others listed, and the gigabyte and ASUS cards both have non standard cooling that ought to be more then adequate. The cooling on the saphire 5770 is their standard cooling package, I Have that set up on my saphire 3870 x2 and it works very well.


Alright, then let me ask you this: What would be your opinion of the EVGA vs. the ATI 5770? And also, with 1 being the highest, how would you order the cards in terms of which you'd pick (again, the more answers to these questions - the better ;))?

-OS51

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 06:56 PM

There's about $100 price difference as well as performance difference between the two. If $250 is your budget then why are you looking at a 5770?


Edit: Edited to remove unnecessary quote. ~ tg

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 07:00 PM

Well they are both mid range cards, neither one being "high end" I would go with the 5770, because its A: $100 cheaper B: Ive always liked ATI over Nvidia (personal preference) and C: theres not a huge difference in performance. the 465 I belive will slightly outperform the 5770, at least as far as framerates concerned, but not enough to be worth the extra $100 to me. A lot of this is really personal preference.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 07:40 PM

The GTX 465 actually overwhelms the Radeon HD 5770: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3745/nvidias-geforce-gtx-465/9


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Posted 31 July 2010 - 10:02 PM

Wait a minute. Does that site mean to say that the GTX 465 averages that low in FPS during the jeep chase scene? Is that card bad? Good lord, how high do you have to go to play BFBC2 properly?

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 10:33 PM

AnandTech lists the resolutions from higher to lower. If you run at 2560x1600 then you have a huge monitor and will need the highest end graphics cards. Typical 22-inch LCD widescreen will be 1680x1050. 24-inch LCD widescreen will be 1920x1200.


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Posted 01 August 2010 - 01:37 AM

The GTX 460 beats ATI graphics cards under the Radeon 5830. However, at the Radeon 5850 level, the Radeon pulls ahead of the GTX 465. I would get a GTX 460 since it fixes many of the flaws the GTX 465 has, but also performs well too. The only caveat is if you have a Crossfire-capable motherboard and want to use that at a later date. On a side note I've noticed, OS51, that you have newegg.ca in your post, but newegg.com in some of your links. Be aware that Newegg.ca is for Canadian customers and Newegg.com is for U.S. customers, you must buy from whichever one you are in since the other will not ship to you.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:14 PM

You're telling me the GTX 460, being cheaper, is in fact the better card? I can live with that. Saves me $20 bucks. Any other opinions on this statement (that the 460 beats the 465)?

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:42 PM

I'd agree, although I don't generally recommend nVIDIA graphics cards I'd suggest the GTX 460 as the best bang for your buck. Maybe if ATi starts dropping their prices I can recommend an ATi card at the $200 price point.


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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:39 PM

JonM33,
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Either use the button at the top of the page labeled Add Reply, or one of the 2 buttons at the bottom of the page, labeled Fast Reply, and Add Reply.
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