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#1 troublesh00ter

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 03:01 PM

These days computers are a commodity. Every retailer is undercutting one other on a daily basis and offering computers to consumers at less than cost. This seems like a good deal but you end up losing the money you save by purchasing all the software that is no longer included for free (i.e. Microsoft Office Suite). In order to "make up" for this lack of valuable software, manufacturers will include some of their own crappy software like CyberLink stuff (which really isn't TOO bad) or in HP's case, a whole bunch of buggy MediaSmart applications.

The big clincher is that a computers security value leaving the store is next to none. Assuming you bought just the computer, you have a Windows Firewall and a base anti-malware program that will give you 60 days of minimal but substantial coverage until it runs out and the malware starts a knockin.

No one should HAVE to HAVE anti-virus software. No one should be trying to destroy your computer, but unfortunately there are people who don't care how many precious photos or home videos they just rendered irretrievable. Therefore, anti-virus is something you HAVE to HAVE. It's expensive and they've all got us by the short and curlies and there's not really many other options to protection outside of traditional anti-virus software. Free anti-virus software typically has outdated definitions and you usually don't get a current definitions when the app says it's running the updater.

Microsoft introduced Security Essentials not to long ago and set the new price for anti-malware software at $0. This made just about every anti-malware company $3!7 their pants. They claim it provides the same security benefits that any other security software could offer (minus the bells n' whistles like online backup, but you hardly ever get very much storage space for that either).

I personally haven't tried it yet nor do I know much about it's functionality. I was wondering if anyone has test driven it yet or is currently using it as a primary security app.

Please share your experiences with Microsoft Security Essentials.

And for fun!!!! Which anti-virus software do you think is the worst?

I can't stand Norton!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 04:27 PM

Whats the difference between Norton and a Virus :thumbsup:

I've tried MSE, but was very displeased with the performance, GUI, customization (which is next to nil), and overall experience.

I prefer Avast over anything else, right now. :trumpet:

I don't think there are any paid ones worse than Norton. I have seen it screw up so many computers it's not even funny. There are probably some free ones that are worse.

MSE is by many touted as good because it's free and "easy" to use. Well, Avast has a free version too that is WAY better, in my opinion.

Nice speech, by the way. :flowers:
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 04:35 PM

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I do not use MSE myself, but with every thing a have read about it on this and other forums made me confident enough to install it on my sisters new W-7 computer almost 4 months ago. Likes it cause of minimum pop ups, easy to set scans, and never interferes with what she is doing, of course she is not a big surfer of unsafe sites like some people I know. I use avast and do not plan on changing any time soon. I'll think about the worst av.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:46 AM

Thanks for your posts!!

I was mostly curious about MSE because I had put it on a computer about a week ago for some temporary protection. I had just wiped windows from and reinstalled it to a terribly infected computer. It was either a trojan or a worm, I"m sure of it. Anyways....

So I leave the computer back in working order and with MSE loaded on it because it's free and it's "supposed" to be this new great thing, right?
WRONG!!! I get a call less than a week later telling me that the computer is displaying the same behaviours only this time worse. So I'm thinking, "hell, what's wrong with this thing. someone watches too much porn".

I get back over there and this thing is going nuts. Pron ads are popping up every 5 minutes but of course the browser is totally useless except for the pron ads. CPU is running at 97% and higher at all times. I'm sure it's infected again. Last time I did the windows wipe I didn't even really bother to see what exactly was infecting it because windows is so hard to repair it was too easy to just wipe the darned thing.

Upon further inspection I was able to see that the lsass.exe was running..... hmmmm.... okay let's see here. The computer is receiving network signal but the browser isn't really communicating anything other than pron and there is no remote assistance occuring...
Smells like a trojan. And wouldn't ya know it, just about everything I clicked on or ran got hijacked. I couldn't even open task manager anymore. I ended up wiping it again and put Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) on it.

The point of all this is that (in my opinion) you should have REAL TIME antimalware software on your computer. Software that actively scans and monitors your computer and the files within it is REAL TIME antimalware. I don't believe MSE provides this kind of support. You get what you pay for!! $0=0Protection

Like I said in the first post, no one should have to pay for antimalware software but they've got you by the nads. The best stuff in my experience you gotta pay for. It's like picking the shiniest turd out of a pile of crap. But you gotta choose something.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:28 PM

Actually, MSE does have real time protection. Now, the strength of said real time protection may be disputable, but it is there. In the case you gave, poor internet practices are the reason for infection. If you go to the right (or wrong, as it were) websites in IE or Firefox without NoScript, you're going to get infected no matter what AV you're running. Good AV's should get MOST of the bad stuff, but no protection is 100% effective.

Try out Avast and see what you think. I think you will be impressed. The comprehensive levels of protection are fantastic and not at all intrusive. MSE is just a cop-out for an AV, if you ask me....
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:42 PM

How would you measure the level of engagement an antimalware program has with a system?
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:48 PM

Uhh...that's a loaded question. :trumpet:

Norton = an OVERBEARING pain in the a$$ :flowers:

MSE = too childish :thumbsup:

Avast lets you dial protection up or down as you see fit. I could make it as annoying as Norton if I wanted by hiking up the settings...but that would defeat the purpose.

An AV/AM should provide a primary layer of protection without interfering with the user's normal tasks. That's my stance.

I hope I answered what you were asking...
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:53 PM

No but you made me laugh. :thumbsup:

You're right it is a pretty loaded question I suppose.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:13 PM

No but you made me laugh. :thumbsup:

Well, then I guess it's a good day. :flowers:

But seriously, opinions are like butt cracks...everybody's got one. :trumpet:
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:25 PM

Some smell worse than others!! :thumbsup:
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:26 PM

Exactly! :thumbsup:
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:45 PM

Maximum PC did a top ten antivirus review, worth the time to read it imho, they also reviewed M$ Essentials
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/kill

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:26 AM

Maximum PC did a top ten antivirus review, worth the time to read it imho, they also reviewed M$ Essentials
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/kill



This is an interesting article! I encourage everyone to read it. I only wish they'd throw more AV's through the ringer at one time with these kind of things.
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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:03 PM

I dealt with MSE for a while, and I couldn't stand the type of minor things they put on their severe list! It didn't make any sense! For example, MSE likes to detect the things that clearly have user consent for the function that it is detecting. In other words, you can turn it off, for goodness sakes! And not to mention, sometimes it will detect things and not tell you. It will just take it from you. That's why I put both computers on NOD32. I needed something good, something that can more or less clean, rather than delete if possible, what it finds. The famous Gordon College Macro virus outbreak of w97m/marker is a great example. LOL. I have no idea what MsE would have done with the few documents that were accidentally sent by my teacher, but I know that NOD32 restored them without even an alert. I was glad, and for that, I choose NOD32! But great speech over there. LOL. But the confusing part is, if MSE is so bad, why on earth does Microsoft have such a great encyclopedia of descriptions?

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 08:08 PM

I have read many sites on testing MSE compared to others and most indicate MSE is getting much better in reason weeks/months. No I don't remember all the sites. Lots of them for hours. If I had a spare computer I would install MSE and use Windows 7 firewall and give it a good test. If M/S keeps getting better the rest of the security company's will have to pick up the pace and that will be a good thing for the rest of us. If you use a paid for version of security it still only cost a few cents a day; to me that's cheep and me and my computer is worth it.




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