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#1 CHansohn

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 11:00 AM

on newegg I am picking out parts for my computer. I have everything picked out except the graphics card. I have gotten it down to two cards. the difference between the two is the cheaper one has only 128 processor cores but a core clock of 765MHz and a Shader Clock of 1912MHz. the more expensive one has 216 Processor cores but a core clock of only 576MHz and a shader clock of 1404MHz.

I'm not sure which is more important in a graphics card speed or processor cores? the comparison is here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompa...^14-130-434-S01

CPU = Intel i7 950
Motherboard = Asus P6X58D
RAM = Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6X 2GB
Power Supply = Corsair AX1200W
Graphics Card = GTX 580 2-way SLI


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 11:36 PM

It would be difficult to determine which exact card without first seeing your full build. However, if you must absolutely use either of those cards, I would go for the GTX 260 as it is a more powerful card. However, if you have more flexibility in terms of price, you could also consider the BIOSTAR VA5775NHG1 Radeon HD 5770 1GB since it runs DirectX 11, is cooler, and uses less power than either of those cards. Note that it is more expensive and is usually within about 5 FPS of the GTX 260. If you have even more money, the SAPPHIRE 100297L Radeon HD 5830 1GB beats all of these cards. The Radeon 58xx and the GTX 2/4xx series cards are big and should be installed in a full ATX case.

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#3 CHansohn

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:50 PM

Ok I'll scrap that and ask this. I am building a PC for gaming. I am limited to $850.00 and I have everything but the Graphics card picked out.

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817517003

Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131398

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103843

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820211364

Graphics Card: Unsure

Hard Drive: already have

CD/DVD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106333

Monitor Cable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16812226011

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Operating System: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116754


First is this build thus far good?
if so I can put about $170 into a graphics card what are my options?

I am planning on playing games like Halo 2, Fallout 3, and Bioshock 2 which are NVIDIA supported and from what I have heard you can get a weaker card to play those games if you go NVIDIA where as you will need a stronger ATI card since it has to emulate NVIDIA is that true?

CPU = Intel i7 950
Motherboard = Asus P6X58D
RAM = Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6X 2GB
Power Supply = Corsair AX1200W
Graphics Card = GTX 580 2-way SLI


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:54 PM

You don't need an Nvidia card to play those games as ATI and Nvidia share instruction sets. However, games can be optimized to perform slightly better on one brand, however, the improvement is relative since a game optimized for a last-gen Nvidia card will perform very well on a modern ATI card and vice versa. The reason you see "Powered by ATI" or "Powered by Nvidia" logos on games is mostly marketing with no significant impact on game performance. Same thing is true with CPU's. That's a good build you have there, though I would make a few alterations:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 - If you're not planning on using Crossfire, this is a good board. Although the board does support Crossfire, the speed of the second card would be severely hampered. Besides, you really shouldn't be using Crossfire or SLI unless you are using top-of-the-line cards. Anyway, this board is better than the one you chose because it uses a newer chipset that supports SATA 6 and USB 3.0 for the same price as the one you've chosen. $99

CPU: You're in a strange area when it comes to CPU's. Some of your games can use more than two cores, but some don't and will be much better off with a dual core that has a high clock. If you don't mind the slight performance hit for games that take only two cores, you can stick with the budget-oriented Athlon II. If you want a higher speed with those dual-core optimized games, and perhaps a better overclocker, the AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz is also a consideration. If you want the best of both, minus the easy overclocking, remember, Black Edition AMD CPU's are unlocked, the AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz is also good, though expensive. $75 - $130

GPU: ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB - This card is in most games almost as powerful as the GeForce GTX 260, but with extras like DirectX 11, lower power consumption, cooler, and smaller. $160 (Before $20 mail-in rebate)

Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0388RU 600W - I've never heard of that brand you want and that much wattage is totally unnecessary unless you are running dual 5870's or GTX 4xx's. I would get a smaller wattage, but Thermaltake is good and so is this power supply. You could get the OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W, but you would end up paying more after the rebate is applied. $60 (Before $20 mail-in rebate)

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 07:52 PM

Alright for the build now I have:

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103844

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820211364

Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Hard Drive: Provided by me

CD/DVD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106333

Monitor Cable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16812226011

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Operating System: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116716


I think everything is compatible. the only question I have is will the power supply handle the draw easily? don't want to fry it because it's working to hard.

CPU = Intel i7 950
Motherboard = Asus P6X58D
RAM = Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6X 2GB
Power Supply = Corsair AX1200W
Graphics Card = GTX 580 2-way SLI


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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:54 PM

A single Radeon 5770 requires a 450W power supply at a bare minimum. It is usually best to have a little more than you need. A 600W power supply should handle Crossfire or the very high-end GPU's. I noticed that you downgraded the CPU to an even lesser unit than before. A dual core Athlon II is not as powerful as a similarly clocked Phenom II due to reduced cache sizes on the CPU. This architecture difference allows AMD to cut costs on the Athlon II and sell them at a lower price. Gamers tend to shy away from the Athlon II line if they play more hardcore games, like Crysis or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. becuase of the differences in speed when compared to the Phenom II. They do this if budget allows. You should go with, if you want a dual core, the one I suggested in an earlier post. If you want more power, the Athlon II X3 you had originally or the Phenom II X4 I suggested. There are a number of games that can use more than two cores to varying degrees, such as Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 1/2, Crysis 1/2, DiRT, Battlefield Bad Company, Modern Warfare 2, GTA IV, Dragon Age, Left 4 Dead series, Lost Planet 1/2, RE5, and most newer games are also taking advantage of the cores.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:56 AM

I changed the processor to your recommendation since you have a valid point as to why it was in my best interest. however you said I should use a 600W power supply. is the 550W one close enough or will I need to switch to a higher one?

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103846

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820211364

Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Hard Drive: Provided by me

CD/DVD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106333

Monitor Cable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16812226011

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Operating System: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116716

CPU = Intel i7 950
Motherboard = Asus P6X58D
RAM = Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6X 2GB
Power Supply = Corsair AX1200W
Graphics Card = GTX 580 2-way SLI


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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:12 AM

There is no need to buy windows 7 premium full if you are building a system. Get the OEM version and save.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...6-754-_-Product
The only downside is that it is non-transferable.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 11:01 AM

Whats the difference between the OEM and the full?

CPU = Intel i7 950
Motherboard = Asus P6X58D
RAM = Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6X 2GB
Power Supply = Corsair AX1200W
Graphics Card = GTX 580 2-way SLI


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Posted 04 June 2010 - 01:42 AM

Nothing in terms of the operating system itself, only the license is slightly different. A license for a full, boxed retail copy can be moved between PC's, but installed on only one at a time. An OEM copy cannot be moved to another PC. The license defines a PC based on the motherboard, so, if you get a new motherboard, you get a new PC even if everything else is the same. You will save loads of cash using the OEM but you will be on your own if you need to call Microsoft for any help with Windows, which very few people do. For a single graphics Radeon 5770, or even a 58xx series, a 550W power supply is enough. If you want to use Crossfire, however, that 550W PSU will not be enough, at least according to the box.

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