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#1 Esox-Lucius

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:24 AM

im thinking about baying more memory on my pc.

have windows xp

i dont know much about it. so i used a program called SIW and there i could see what setup i have.
pleace se the list in this tipic.

as i can understand there are 4 spots for memory chips on my motherboard.

and there are 3 chips in it know. with about 1gb in them.meaning 3gb total.

so my question would be, how much better would my pc be with some more memory space.?

lets say i bay a memory ship that i could fit in my last open spot. that had 2gb.

so i went from 3gb to 5 gb total.
thanks.

Motherboard Property Value
Manufacturer MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD
Model MS-7345
Version 1.0
North Bridge Intel P35/G33/G31 Revision A2
South Bridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) Revision A2

CPU Intel® Pentium® D CPU 3.00GHz
Cpu Socket Socket 775 LGA

Memory Summary
Maximum Capacity 4096 MBytes
Maximum Memory Module Size 4096 MBytes
Memory Slots 4
Error Correction None

CPU Property Summary
Number of Logical Processors 2
Number of Physical Processors 1
CPU #1 Intel Pentium D 925
CPU Name Intel® Pentium® D CPU 3.00GHz
CPU Code Name Presler
Vendor GenuineIntel
Number of Bits 64
Instruction Set MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, ET64, EST
Platform Name Socket 775 LGA
Revision D0
Technology 65 nm
Original Clock 3000 MHz
Original System Clock 200 MHz
Original Multiplier 15.0
CPU Clock 3012 MHz
System Clock 200.8 MHz
FSB 803.2 MHz
Number of Cores 2
Core #1
Speed 3012.0 MHz
Multiplier 15.0
Core #2
Speed 3012.0 MHz
Multiplier 15.0
Virtual Technology Supported No
Hyper Threading Supported Yes
Cache
L1 Data Cache 2 x 16 KBytes
L1 Trace Cache 2 x 12 Kµops
L2 Cache 2 x 2048 KBytes

Memory Property Summary
Maximum Capacity 4096 MBytes
Maximum Memory Module Size 4096 MBytes
Memory Slots 4
Error Correction None
DRAM Frequency 401.6 MHz
Memory Timings 5-5-5-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Device Locator Slot 1
Manufacturer Crucial Technology
Serial Number 9000303C
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR2 (PC2-6400)
Speed 400 MHz (DDR2 800)
Supported Frequencies 333.3 MHz, 400.0 MHz
Memory Timings 4-5-5-15-20 at 333.3 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 5-5-5-18-23 at 400.0 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
EPP SPD Support Yes (Version 16)
XMP SPD Support No
Device Locator Slot 2
Manufacturer Corsair
Part Number CM2X1024-6400
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR2 (PC2-6400)
Speed 400 MHz (DDR2 800)
Supported Frequencies 270.3 MHz, 400.0 MHz
Memory Timings 4-4-4-13-15 at 270.3 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 5-5-5-18-22 at 400.0 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No
Device Locator Slot 3
Manufacturer Corsair
Part Number CM2X1024-6400
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR2 (PC2-6400)
Speed 400 MHz (DDR2 800)
Supported Frequencies 270.3 MHz, 400.0 MHz
Memory Timings 4-4-4-13-15 at 270.3 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 5-5-5-18-22 at 400.0 MHz, at 1.8 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No

Power supplies: In-Win PowerMan IP-P460Q3-2 460W

Video card: nvidia geforce 8800 gt

Edited by hamluis, 27 May 2010 - 10:41 AM.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:40 AM

Maximum Capacity 4096 MBytes Maximum Memory Module Size 4096 MBytes


now if I'm right I think because of those numbers you can only have a total of 4 gb of ram and the max size of any card is 4 gb as well. So I think you can only install a 1 gb chip in your last slot. :thumbsup:
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:52 AM

I believe that the max size of any RAM module for this board...is 2GB...and it supports a max of 8GB of RAM, per Crucial.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp...5%20Platinum%29

Since XP 32-bit only supports 4GB of RAM, the 8GB max only applies if a 64-bit O/S is used for XP install.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:16 AM

gjess as i could see on the page of the manufacter of the board i could have up to 8 gb in total.

here are my mothercard

Motherboard Specs

so then i was thinking of putting an 2gb chip in the last slot.

well it is 64bit

well i use it for some gaming but most normal usage. watch a lot of videos oon different webpages.

but i have a program that shows memory usage. and that on tells me that the usage is around 40 to 50 % of the total 3gb that i have

so do you think i would get an better pc with 2 gb more?

and how would i feel the differens?

Edited by hamluis, 27 May 2010 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 27 May 2010 - 12:20 PM

I think you misunderstand, happens often when I try to explain :thumbsup:.

The O/S must be 64-bit, not the system. Most systems made in the last 5 years or so are 64-bit, IMO...but it's Windows which must be 64-bit to utilize more RAM than 4GB.

I can't tell you much about computer performance, since I really don't pay much attention to such. I don't game and I'm a user who's just grateful to have a system that affords me the opportunities that any PC provides users.

I can tell you...that running dual-channel matched pairs of RAM modules...will yield you the greatest performance with that board, as opposed to just throwing in mismatched RAM modules.

(I changed your link to reflect what it is).

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:37 PM

to further clarify hamluis a 32 bit OS will only support between 3.25 to 3.75 gigs of ram, depending on the system. In my humble opinion, adding another memory module will not help you any unless you first upgrade to a 64 bit operating system, otherwise you will see little to no improvement in performance, unless you are running them in dual channel mode, and even then there won't be much of an improvement.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:30 AM

okey.


yes i have 32 bit. windows xp professional 2002.so then the max of ram i could have is only a bit more that i have?

meny say so much different. some say 3gb and some say 3.25gb nd some say 3.5gb. and some 4gb

what is realy the truth??

and after all hardware in the SIW program in the info about it it say 64bit. that has nothing to say with how much ram i could have. only the o/s?


could also say that im thinking of baying this
Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5


i have some problems with my nvidia card.

but wouldent the new card also need a bit more ram? since in the nvidia it onlly takes 0.5gb.

thanks all of you exsperts

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:05 AM

all of them actually-it depends on the system, the hardware your running, etc. the absolute max I have seen a 32 bit OS recognize is 3.75 gb, though its normally in the 3.25-3.5 gb range. So it does vary a little bit. As far as the video card upgrade, that is a good card, the Pentium D will bottleneck it a bit, but I dont imagine to much and it will improve your graphics performance, a good investment if you ask me.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:03 AM

Regardless of what the max RAM your system can handle is, adding more memory won't necessarily improve performance. If you are currently only using 40-50% of your memory then you will see little difference. However, if you are getting messages complaining of low memory or if your computer is sluggish with lots of hard disk activity, then you may be memory "starved" and adding more RAM will help.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 03:53 PM

i downloaded a program called prosess explorer. and there i can se all the cpu and ram usage at all time.

and i dont have eny big special programs that i use on my pc.

and under normal usage with some small programs like antivius runing and with around 5 to 7 webpages up i have the cpu usage from 6% to 35%. this value is offcourse changing all the time. but its there about.
the memory usage is pretty stable, in the same situation as above
the memory is around 23 %


and when i loaded the pc some harder. like doing all the things above including,lets say play a
HD klipp in highest quality,on youtube the nubers is verry different

the cpu jumps up and down from 40% and 70%

and the memory around 27%


and if i load a game the on i tryed was csi. i dont know if you know that on,but ill guess its maybe around a midrage game,of what it uses on power.
i loaded it and i pressed the alt and tab key so i could get back i windows when the game is running in the background.

and at the same time i did that, i also did all the thing as above inlcuded the hd video on youtube the numbers was this

the cpu wasfrom 90% to 100%
and memory 32%


in the prosesser explorer program it sead that that was physical memory that i have writen her now.

so as i could se the memory should be plenty. eaven with all that i tryed i realy runned the pc hard,and still so low memory usage.
and i never use it so hard at normal.


but the cpu usage is a different thing thoght.

so meybe a realy dont need more memory?


what do you think?

Edited by Esox-Lucius, 28 May 2010 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2010 - 05:06 PM

I think that...you started this post, asking general questions about memory. Since then, you seem to have drifted into "if" land.

Now...you seem to be asking someone to tell you whether you need to modify your CPU...and, IMO, you have never defined exactly what it is that you are after.

I could be wrong...but I think it would help you to be helped...if you clearly outline just what it is that you think you are trying to achieve.

What is the problem?

What is the goal?

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 03:15 AM

well yeas that coul be true. but after some surching i found out that it was cpu i could
have some more of. i just want the pm to go a bit smother when im doing things that i mentioned in the post before.


i habe been told this could be a good one fore me.. the E8400 . but on thing-
that one has just the same ghz ,3 as the one
i have in my pc now. but will the new one be eny faster since its the same?

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 04:11 PM

The specs on the E8400 are below.

Processor: Core 2 Duo
Core Name: Wolfdale
CPU Code: SLB9J
CPU Number: E8400
Front Side Bus: 333 Mhz
CPU Speed: 3.00
L2 cache: 6M
Stepping: E0
Wattage: 65

As for RAM, a 32 Bit Windows operating system can use up to 4 GigaBytes of memory and is most cases does utilize this whole amount, unless of course you have some restrictions set up in the BIOS setup utility.
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