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Firefox thinks "themself" is not a word


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#1 TheEgg

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 04:44 AM

It underlines it with a red zig-zag line when I write it. It suggests it should be "them self" or "them-self"

It doesn't highlight "ain't gonna" though.

Theres another word it used to do this to but I forgot.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 05:08 AM

I would tend to agree that themself is not a word. You have himself, herself, itself, or themselves.

(That's my theory and I'm sticking to it, LOL).

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 06:12 AM

Rowal is right, there's no english dictionary acceptance of themself as a word. Them is plural, self is singular so they don't correspond.

According to my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, there originally was in the 14th century a two word expression in northern english dialect thaim self. This became themselfs or themselves around 1500 and became standardised this way around 1540.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:41 PM

themself ain't a word according to the dictionary. what I find funny though is my mom was always telling me "ain't ain't a word" until I pointed out that the word "ain't" has been in our dictionary since 1860.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 03:37 PM

It's improper English to use a plural tense "them" and a single tense "self" together. That is why Firefox suggests a correction.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 09:04 PM

BUT...What about when you want to say himself/herself when the gender is unknown? In that case I think "themself" should be acceptable.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 10:39 PM

Uhm:

Them is a plural pronoun.
Self is a singular, like when you talk about yourself.

Therefore, gramatically- it should be themselves; themselfs is not a word either, you have to change the "f" into "ve (+ s)."

When the gender is unknown, I would normally use itself or just type "him/herself".


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Edited by WingedAura, 27 April 2010 - 10:41 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2010 - 11:58 PM

BUT...What about when you want to say himself/herself when the gender is unknown? In that case I think "themself" should be acceptable.


You use a different structure, different word, or remove that from the sentence altogether. Themself, is not acceptable grammar in any shape or form in english.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 01:02 AM

You could just assume a gender because, typically when the gender is unknown, it is hypothetical.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 01:58 PM

How I wish English had a singular pronoun as Korean does that stands for both masculine and feminine singular. Itself is neuter.

Whenever possible, I recast the sentence into plural to avoid the singular pronoun controversy. If that isn't possible, I try to restructure the sentence in order to eliminate the pronoun.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:29 PM

What about using the word oneself? (or is it ones self? )

Neither Firefox or WordPerfect flags those, however Firefox does flag WordPerfect, lol

Edited by Stang777, 28 April 2010 - 06:09 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:01 PM

Both of those are fine because they're both single tense.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:08 PM

However, you have to be careful of the antecedent. Oneself will not always work.

For example: The person scratched oneself while hurrying down the street. would not work.

In a situation like this, in order to avoid the him/her debate, not only would this sentence need to be changed but surrounding text would have to be changed also.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 08:16 AM

How I wish English had a singular pronoun as Korean does that stands for both masculine and feminine singular. Itself is neuter.

Whenever possible, I recast the sentence into plural to avoid the singular pronoun controversy. If that isn't possible, I try to restructure the sentence in order to eliminate the pronoun.

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