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CCleaner Defrag is defragging???


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#1 pat71896

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:57 PM

I had to reformat my HD a month ago. For some reason, I have forgotten to do a "Disk Cleanup" and/or a "Defrag" for all that time.

I ran the regular Windows Defrag and it ran for several hours. I tried it 3 times, same results. I figured something was not working right.

Downloaded CCleaner (which is what I normally use) and the first defrag took 5 hours. It said the "C" drive was 44% fragmented. It is my habit to run defrag a second time to see the results.

I ran it the 2nd time and it took about 1 hour, showed 40% fragmented, and I watched the files that were showing in CCleaner.

Since that time, I have run 5 more times, have results between 36% to 44% fragmented, various number and names of files, and differing amounts of time involved.

Any suggestions as to why this might be happening? I have observed the little boxes dancing around and they seem to be getting into order. However, when complete, still having high percentage fragmented.

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 09:41 PM

You must be thinking of Defraggler. CCleaner doesn't defrag.

My system is very fast with 30-50% frag. Defrag doesn't improve performance on my current pc, or any I used in the past. What you are seeing is mostly locked system files that cannot be defragged.
If you want to substantially reduce frag, using CCleaner simply delete the restore points under Tools \ System Restore. :huh:

Edited by slowlane, 26 April 2010 - 09:48 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:21 PM

You are right, it is Defraggler (Piriform).

I just cannot imagine why that number is so high. I have never had such high numbers ever before.

My system is slow, especially on the Internet.

I am so frustrated. After all the work of reformat, I am just ready to drop kick it out of my life.

Thanks for your response.

Pat, :huh:

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:26 PM

If your system is still slow it can't be frag. I suspect malware.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:22 PM

Do you know what the Malware (freebie) name is?

I really don't know what a malware is and what it does, but I will check into that.

Thanks again,

Pat

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:26 PM

Can you post your system specs?

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:57 PM

Duh. . . Sorry about that.

I have an HP Laptop, Vista 32 OS, and using IE 7.0. I really need to change that browser. I am thinking of using Google Chrome, but I cannot fully access my bank account with Chrome. I only get to the first layer of security, the second layer does not actually have a password, so Chrome won't let me go further.

I did run Malwarebytes' and found no Malware.

Thanks so much for all the input. I know people are busy.

Pat

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 03:04 PM

Post your system specs like CPU, RAM, and HDD.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 04:06 PM

According to my Belarc Advisor:

2.00 GHtz Intel Pentium Dual-Core

3004 megabytes usable installed memory

Drive, 320. gigabytes

I hope I am getting this correct.

Thanks again, Pat

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 04:12 PM

What exactly are you trying to solve?

I would try rebooting into safe mode and running windows defrag from there.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 10:46 AM

If you're complaining about the large amount of space that is still fragmented after running a full defrag, slowlane already answered your question.

System Restore points are highly prone to fragmentation.

Take a look at Defraggler on my netbook after a recent defrag (4 days):

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2638/defragn.png
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:04 AM

If you're complaining about the large amount of space that is still fragmented after running a full defrag, slowlane already answered your question.

System Restore points are highly prone to fragmentation.

Take a look at Defraggler on my netbook after a recent defrag (4 days):

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2638/defragn.png


Again, I am still learning here, but I thought there was a setting that only allowed xx amount of space to be consumed by system restore points. 40-50% seems like way too much data to be consumed entirely by system restore points. In fact, I think we just covered this in my Intro to OS class. Maybe this setting by default is not turned on??

That much fragmentation seems to me like potential malware. Worm possibly????
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:11 AM

You are right. There is a setting for this.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1160/restoresettings.png

If you notice, it just so happens that my current percentage of fragmentation is equal to the percentage that I have set to allocate for System Restore points.

If pat71896 deletes all saved Restore Points, and the fragmentation drops like a stone, then we know that was the problem.

No malware that I know of tries to slow computers by fragmenting the hard drive. Besides, why would it? If wouldn't have much affect on performance. You'd be better off trying to get a ransom (pay this or else) or turn it into a bot-net computer. Intentional fragmentation by malware is just completely illogical.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:13 AM

Do you know what the Malware (freebie) name is?

I really don't know what a malware is and what it does, but I will check into that.

Thanks again,

Pat


pat71896, even if malware is not the cause here, check out http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/55/spyware-and-malware-removal-guides-and-reading-room/. This forum has a great deal of information explaining what exactly malware is, and tutorials on how to help protect yourself against it. There are also links to a number of tools to help prevent and correct any issues regarding malware.

I would do something about using IE7 as your default web browser, big security risk in itself from what I have heard.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:17 AM

You are right. There is a setting for this.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1160/restoresettings.png

If you notice, it just so happens that my current percentage of fragmentation is equal to the percentage that I have set to allocate for System Restore points.

If pat71896 deletes all saved Restore Points, and the fragmentation drops like a stone, then we know that was the problem.

No malware that I know of tries to slow computers by fragmenting the hard drive. Besides, why would it? If wouldn't have much affect on performance. You'd be better off trying to get a ransom (pay this or else) or turn it into a bot-net computer. Intentional fragmentation by malware is just completely illogical.


Thanks keyboard for the info., I was thinking along the lines of a worm replicating itself repeatedly on his drive and eating up space.
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