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Intel Core i7 930 vs Q9505 vs. AMD Phenom 965 vs. Keep E8400


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#1 Ron Devito

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:15 PM

I have a custom-built machine running an Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo on an NVIDIA XFX 790i mobo with 2 GB of RAM (actually 4, but I pulled two bad ones). The CPU was cooled with a CoolIt Eliminator, which is a sealed liquid cooling device. The Eliminator failed. I built the entire rig in this wacky "air conditoned case." I'm running two Palit 1-GB video cards SLI and a 1010 watt PSU.

At the least I'm going to change out the case for a Cooler Master 690, and use a CoolerMaser V8 on the chip of my choice. I'll replace the bad ram. I have to add another 2 TB of disk space -- the machine was built for flight simulation and video editing. I was also running it 24 x 7 using it for my MBA studies, then for political blogging. I'm going to buy a laptop for the blogging work.

I could just:

1. Change the case, the cooler, add the 2-TB disk do the RAM upgrade, keep the CPU which has thermal shutdown -- in all the excitement I kind of lost track of how many times - $350.

2. Item 1 and upgrade to a Q9505 processor....lets me use the same mobo - $650

3. Item 1 and Core I7 930 with an EVGA 958 - $810

4. Item 1 and AMD 965 with ASUS M4A89GTD PRO - $700

For my application -- video editing with Pinnacle Studio and Flight Simulation with MS FS X and X-Plane 9.0, which would be the best value solution?

Thanks much.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:33 PM

thats really a toss up. . .In my experience intels normally handle the video editing a lot better then AMD, but AMD handles actual gaming like flight simulation a lot better, in my shoes, if your on a budget perhaps keeping the motherboard and upgrading to a core2quad would be a good choice, if you have the money you cant go wrong with either the AMD or i7, I think that since you do a lot of video editing I would lean towards the i7.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:57 PM

The Patriot,

Thank you. The costs are rather sobering. I'm leaning toward the $350 /keeping the chip or maybe spending the extra $200 to top out the mobo. I hate to throw out a perfectly good mobo with a technology that's still being sold. Changing the mobo and the processor adds $400 to $600 atop the $350. The case, cooler, and disk have to be done. And I'm dropping $700 on a laptop, because to use a 1,000-watt PSU machine for blogging and leave it on 24 x 7 is insane. My electric bill is over $200/month. 1000w 24 x 7 must have something to do with it. So, $1000 and change will get me the laptop, the case, cooler, disk, Anything else is gravy.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:56 PM

Thats why I turn my gaming rig off when not in use. . .however, this is one of the many reasons I like AMD, is that theyre motherboards seem to last longer and can use a wider range of CPUs. My current board is a m61p-S3 regular AM2 board, however, with a BIOS update which I might already have (Im constantly tweaking, and I know ive updated the BIOS im just not sure what ive updated it to) It can support up to a AM3 phenom II x4 945. . . and many in between, while my intel machine, the CPU support list is somewhere near half that of my AMD one. . .not to diss on intel because intel does have its benefits, like I siad, with better video and graphics editing, etc.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:06 PM

The last time I flashed a BIOS, I trashed the mobo. In fact, the 790i I'm using now is the replacement for the one I trashed by flashing. Never again.

The machine I'm writing on now is an AMD box in the same Cooler Master case I want to get and with the stock fan. No after-market cooling needed. The AMD CPU i"m using is comparable to the E8400.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the speed scale the four CPUS we're discussing here would rank this way speed-wise: E8400 slowest; Q9505 faster; and the i7 930 and the AMD 965 are pretty comparable. All run hot; all need aftermarket cooling (factory config, no over-clocking).

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:21 PM

the E8400 would indeed be the slowest with the Q9505 being faster. the i7 and 965 probably pretty comparable, in fact, i would dare say the 965 is probably slightly faster being as its 3.4 ghz with a 4 mb level 2 cache and 6 mb level 3, then the 930 which is at 2.8 ghz with a 2 mb level 2 cache and 8 mb level 3, so cache size theyre pretty equal, but speed wise theres a 600 mhz difference there. As far as that CM 690, I use it myself and ive used it in a build for a friend who has the 965 black edition in it, and its only using stock cooling, and it never gets over 55C under max load, never. heck, I can almost keep my athlon x2 6000+ cool enough without a heatsink in my case (though I wouldnt recomend it) Cooling wise with that case, with the proper fan set up, unless you plan on overclocking you probably have no need for an aftermarket cooler with any of the CPUs youve mentioned. One definetly couldnt hurt, but I dont think it will be needed unless you overclock or live in a REALLY hot environment with no AC.

Edited by the_patriot09, 20 April 2010 - 08:21 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:23 PM

The i7 930 is very rich for my blood.

Now...the 965 sounds appealing. I know I just dropped my 2.8 ghz amd dual into this box with the stock fan and that was it. But, I also know the 965 runs much hotter than the older AMD chip.

Here's where it gets interesting money wise. A 9505 is $240. The 965 is $185. I'm $55 into a new mobo already. The mobo I picked is $140. So for $335, I"m getting a rig comparable to the 930. That's the flip side of my prior argument.

Perhaps the AMD -- the middle of the road -- compared to the upper end - 930 - and the lower end -- leaving the processor or going with the 9505 - might be it.

Might be a toss-up beween leaving the 8400 or spending the $335 extra and getting the AMD.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:03 PM

personally, I think that 965 is a good choice, I have used it in a friends build. surprisingly enough it actually doesn't run that hot, especially in the CM 690, and it performs very well. :D

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:32 PM

Note that the Phenom II X4 965 and the 955 are nearly identical, but one, the 965, comes slightly faster at stock and both are Black Editions. You could save a little extra cash ($30) by going with the 955 and simply overclocking it slightly to 965 speeds.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:04 PM

This might be old news, but check out this review. This page shows some of the differences in the processors you are considering.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom...965,2389-6.html

The AMD might be a good choice since for close to the same money you can get some new components, just in case the motherboard might also be bad, and like Patriot09 said, it will probably make a better gaming machine. That new motherboard also has SATA 3.0 which will be better further down the road with faster hard drives.

Good luck!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:47 PM

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Thank you. I just ordered the stuff. Went with AMD and an ASUS Mobo. Got the laptop too. No more 1000w burning 24 x 7.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:13 PM

hope everything goes smoothly for you :thumbsup:

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 06:04 PM

I'm glad you went with a different Mobo. The 790i isn't all it's hyped to be.




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