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Comp Lags, I think it's my hard drive


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#1 Handz

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:33 PM

System Information

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs
Memory: 3072MB RAM


Hard Drives

C: Used for the XP OS & Applications
NTFS
Capacity 149 GB
Used Space 49.9 GB
Free Space 99,1 GB

E: Used for just Storing files (Vids, Music, Docs, Etc.)
NTFS
Capacity 232 GB
Used Space 28.2 GB
Free Space 204 GB



What I have done so far

* Ran Malwarebytes
0 infected

* Ran Spybot search and destroy
Found Infections
Microsot.WindowsSecurtiyCenter_disabled
MediaPlex
DoubleClick

Fixed Selected Problems

Ran it again

Congratulations! No immediate threats were found.

* Ran CCleaner

* Ran Windows Default Defragger

* Ran Diskeeper Defragger

* Ran Windows Default Disk Cleanup

* Ran Microsoft BootVis


I have gone through the tweaks for XP which were
Stopping/Disabling/Manual settings for the Services
The startup only has one program checked





I feel it might be hard drive related, but I am not sure. Here is the quick back story when this problem started.
I have a 500 GB external hard drive which had about 200 or less GB of free room, and well I wanted to transfer a video I took off my digital camera but that video was 20+ GB in size. Well without thinking when I first got the Hard drive I didn't format it and well it was a FAT32 system. So I needed to format the drive but didn't want to lose all my documents and such. So I transferred everything over from the 500 GB external onto my C and E drive which put the C drive down to 9 GB free space and the E drive at 6 GB free space. So after this LONG process I was finally done, I had freed up a lot of drive space on my C drive as well as the E drive and the external drive was NTFS and I was happy.

Flash forward to now, My computer has been running super slow at times, programs lag which they didn't do before. Ever since I did this massive transfer I've been having this problem. I feel I slowly killed my hard drive, again I am not sure if that's what it is but that's what I think it is. To give a little example of the slowed programs, As you can see my computer is not slow (maybe compared to others, but for an average computer it's not slow). So nothing else is open and I want to run photoshop, First it takes longer to load and then it's really really laggy, I look at the processes in the task manager and WHOA! Photoshop is running at 400,000+k
It's never been laggy before, and I don't think it took that much memory usage either.

So I am turning here because I feel I have done everything except reformat and install windows again (Which I am trying to avoid) Is there anything I could be missing? Anything I overlooked? I have deleted unwanted programs, I keep the desktop pretty much clear ( I also Hide desktop icons ) I removed a lot of my fonts, I have my visual effects set to custom and only 3 of them are checked, I have done basically all I can think of, I need help... That is why I am here, Can anybody help me with this?

Thank you in advance,

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:07 AM

Start/Run...type chkdsk /r (apace between k and /) and hit Enter.

Type Y in response to onscreen query, hit Enter.

Reboot the system...the command will execute and then boot into XP.

Since you state that you think it's your hard drive...did you run the appropriate hard drive manufacturer's diagnostic...on your hard drive?

Hard Drive Installation and Diagnostic Tools - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/28744/hard-drive-installation-and-diagnostic-tools/

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:32 PM

Sorry it took a bit to respond, I haven't been on the computer as of late. But I just now finished the list you said...

Ran ChckDsk
Started : 7am
Ended: 11:58am

Ran the Hard Drive Diagnostic for the drive I have and it's healthy.
Smart scan - Pass
Short drive scan - Pass
Long drive scan - Pass


It's still slow and lags, I don't understand what it could be... :thumbsup:



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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:52 PM

It can be...any number/combination of things, to include malware.

Funny...I don't see where you indicate that you ran a full scan with updated AV program installed.

Are you current on critical updates?

PhotoShop and other graphics editors...are known memory hogs, by necessity.

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 03:05 PM

Have you defragged the drive?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:45 PM

hamluis - I ran Eset Full Scan & Trend Micro Full Scan, and both turned up clean.
Again nothing really starts up in the msconfig start up, The computer still takes a long time to start up. I scanned again full scan with Malware bytes and Spybot and came up with 0 infections.
I have no clue what this could be that is slowing the start up and lagging my computer... :thumbsup:

cryptodan - yes i have defragged my hard drive

* Ran Windows Default Defragger

* Ran Diskeeper Defragger



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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:58 PM

How old are the drives, and how are they connected?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 04:27 PM

Not sure how old the drive is, It's connected via sata cable, and I did a drive diagnostic and it says the drive is "Healthy"

"Ran the Hard Drive Diagnostic for the drive I have and it's healthy.
Smart scan - Pass
Short drive scan - Pass
Long drive scan - Pass"


So I don't think it's the drive anymore, although I am not sure...

and like right now my mouse is lagging... Ahhh!


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Posted 21 March 2010 - 04:52 PM

Chipset drivers updated?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 07:05 PM

CMD /C ECHO Y|CHKDSK C: /R | SHUTDOWN /R /T 30
For an XP, copy and paste this into the Start > Run box - Click OK -Let it run for about 30 mins - This will auto boot the system -
That result seemed an odd length of time for a CHKDSK scan ?? Something like this should only take about 30 mins and do a 5 stage check -

Sorry to butt in - :thumbsup:

Edited by noknojon, 21 March 2010 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2010 - 05:31 PM

noknojon - I just did what you said, and that was at 2:40pm it is now 3:30pm and it's on Stage 4 of 5, at 10 percent complete.
So I don't know whats wrong...



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Posted 22 March 2010 - 06:42 PM

Soon, you may want to know what the chkdsk results are:

When chkdsk runs automatically on a reboot, the results are shown in the Event Viewer Application log.

To see the Event Viewer logs, click Start, Settings, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Event Viewer.

A shortcut to Event Viewer is to click Start, Run and in the box enter:

%SystemRoot%\system32\eventvwr.msc

Click OK to launch the Event Viewer.

Look in the Application log for an event sourced by Winlogon, something like:

Event Type: Information
Event Source: Winlogon
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Description:
Checking file system on C:
The type of the file system is NTFS.

A disk check has been scheduled.
Windows will now check the disk.

CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
Usn Journal verification completed.

39070048 KB total disk space.
25151976 KB in 78653 files.
48256 KB in 10264 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
237080 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
13632736 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
9767512 total allocation units on disk.
3408184 allocation units available on disk.

Windows has finished checking your disk.
Please wait while your computer restarts.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 08:25 PM

joseibarra - The chkdsk is still scanning is on 33 percent stage 4 of 5.
and it has been scanning since 240pm it is now 626pm...

I am not gonna be running another scan disk :thumbsup:



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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:46 PM

It finally finished the check disk at 815pm

So started it at 240pm and it ended at 815pm....

Grrr....




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Posted 23 March 2010 - 06:28 AM

Hmmm...

MS says (and I believe it) that the only way to run chkdsk /r with reliable results is to have the system in a "static state". If you just run plain chkdsk with no options from say a command prompt (or something like that) you may get messages indicating a problem, maybe not, different problems in two different runs, etc. In other words, sort of iffy. I think you are running chkdsk /r from bootup, so that is okay but I wanted to make that clear.

There are two ways to achieve a static state:

Boot into Recovery Console, or use chkdsk /r and answer in the affirmative to have the chkdsk run on the next reboot - before XP loads all the way.

If you run from RC, the results are on your screen.

If you do the latter, the results are in the Event Log as I indicated before.

I don't have much SATA drive experience and can't test, but I know what can make an IDE drive perform poorly for an unobvious reason. Maybe somebody will help me understand if this logic the same with SATA drives or spur another thought.

One popular reason a HDD might be slow is that it has changed from a DMA (fastest) access mode to PIO (slowest) access mode. You would like DMA mode, and that is normally how things are, but if you have had some HDD errors, XP will switch it and not tell you (except in the Event Log if you are looking for it). Of course you should figure out why and fix it, but we can check anyway.

If you are using IDE drives, use Device Manager to verify the transfer mode of the IDE channels is set to something like DMA if available (depends on your hardware) and not the slower PIO mode.

DMA is the fastest, PIO is the slowest.

This is easy to check and generally easy to fix and the mode would not have changed by itself, so if it has changed to PIO, change it to DMA and then figure out why it changed and fix it.

To launch the Device Manger console, click Start, Run and in the box enter:

%SystemRoot%\system32\devmgmt.msc

Click OK.

Expand the IDE/ATA controller section to see your IDE channels. Right click each, choose Properties, and for each channel that has an Advanced Settings tab, determine the Transfer Mode. There are usually 4 channels to check in a desktop, maybe fewer for laptops.

The fastest selection will be some DMA selection (usually: DMA if available). If it is PIO, change it to DMA.

If you are not sure about what you see post back for help and advice.

Follow this up with a reboot to make sure any changes stick.

What may have caused the change?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817472

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