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#1 micaman

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 03:35 AM

Hope everyone has made the upgrade to SP2. Lots of new problems coming our way for the SP1 users, from what I am being told. Microsoft is trying to secure things, but we all need to be up-to-date. Your rate of infection from rogue sites is around 85% for SP1 and this drops to around 3% for SP2 updated systems.


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Posted 04 September 2005 - 07:48 AM

You seem to be overlooking the fact that SP2 is known to cause problems itself, which has been a big dis-incentive to install it. SP1 combined with a third party firewall, a regualarly updated antivirus application, a regularly updated 'SpywareBlaster' and regular security updates (except SP2) is just as effective without the hassle that SP2 can bring.

Edited by pip22, 04 September 2005 - 07:50 AM.


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Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:27 AM

You seem to be overlooking the fact that SP2 is known to cause problems itself, which has been a big dis-incentive to install it. SP1 combined with a third party firewall, a regualarly updated antivirus application, a regularly updated 'SpywareBlaster' and regular security updates (except SP2) is just as effective without the hassle that SP2 can bring.

No, it is not, and you also can get no further updates from Microsoft until SP2 is installed.

10 Reasons to install SP2 (although there are many more)
Help protect your PC from harmful attachments.

By alerting you to potentially unsafe attachments, Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) helps guard your computer from viruses that can spread through Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, and Windows Messenger.

Improve your privacy when you’re on the Web.

SP2 helps protect your private information by applying the security settings that guard your PC to the files and content downloaded using Internet Explorer.
Avoid potentially unsafe downloads.

Internet Explorer download monitoring and the Internet Explorer Information Bar warn you about potentially harmful downloads and give you the option to block files that could be malicious.

Reduce annoying pop-ups.

Internet Explorer Pop-Up Blocker makes browsing the Internet more enjoyable by helping you reduce the unwanted ads and content that pop up when you’re browsing the Web.
Get firewall protection from startup to shutdown. (although even third part freeware firewalls are better)

The built-in Windows Firewall is now turned on by default. This helps protect Windows XP against viruses and worms that can spread over the Internet.
Take control of your security settings.

The new Windows Security Center allows you to easily view your security status and manage key security settings in one convenient place.
Get the latest updates easily.

Enhancements to Windows XP’s Automatic Updates feature make it even easier to access Windows updates. Plus, new technology has been added to help dial-up customers download updates more efficiently.

Help protect your e-mail address.
Improvements to Outlook Express help reduce unwanted e-mail by limiting the possibility of your e-mail address being validated by potential spammers.
Take action against crashes caused by browser add-ons. (like bhos)

The new Add-On Manager in Internet Explorer lets you easily view and control add-ons to reduce the potential for crashes and enjoy a more trouble-free browsing experience.

Go wireless without the hassle.

SP2 improves wireless and networking support and simplifies the process of discovering and connecting to wireless networks in your home or on the road.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx


Microsoft SP 2
Microsoft - Steps to take before SP 2 installation

These are the steps you are advised to take before installing SP2:

1. Back up all your data.

2. Check out the Web site of your hardware manufacturers to see if SP2-related software updates are available for download.

3. Purge your system of all spyware and adware you may have accumulated.

From Microsoft:
Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality when they run on a Windows XP Service Pack 2-based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default....wsxpsp2

Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/842242/

I would suggest running AdAware and Spybot Search and Destroy BEFORE you install SP2.
Download, install, update and run
*AdAware SE: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

*Spybot S&D:
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

Also download, install, update and run the Microsoft Anti-Spy beta:
Microsoft Antispyware Beta: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/s...re/default.mspx

Do you have a dialup or a broadband connection?
Microsoft offers a free CD to install SP 2 and if you are on a dialup it is highly recommended.

In fact, even using broadband, it is a large file and you may get better results and an easier install using the CD.

Order it here (free):
http://www.microsoft.com/windows....lt.mspx


If you encounter difficulties or have questions, call 888-SP2-HELP for assistance.

Microsoft Security Product Support Policy

Microsoft Policy
Technical support is available from Microsoft Product Support
Services at 1-866-PC SAFETY (1-866-727-2338).

There is no charge for support calls associated with security updates.

International customers can get support from their local Microsoft subsidiaries. Phone numbers for international support can be found at: http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx

There are a few programs you need to install and run BEFORE you update to SP2. These will insure that spyware and other malware which will cause malfunctions after or during installation of SP2 are removed prior to your installing SP2. (most users who have problems have malware on their systems)

Of course, a frequently updated resident anti-virus program is absolutely necessary. If you do not have one installed, AVG, freeware you can download at the following link will provide excellent AV protection:

AVG: http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php

or you can choose Avast Anti-virus freeware
http://www.komando.com/bestshareware.asp
or any of the major brand paid AV programs that are available.

Also absolutely necessary:
Anti-malware protection (freeware) (You can run as many of these as you wish. Generally there is no conflict between these and you should always run several as each will find things the others will not.)

*AdAware SE: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

*Spybot S&D: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
*the two most important to have!

Microsoft Antispyware Beta: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/s...re/default.mspx

If you find spyware or viruses and have a problem removing them come back here and we will assist you as SP2 will not install properly nor will it function properly with malware on your system.

Posted below are a few web based AV and trojan scans to run. Set them to clean any infection they find and if you find anything with the first couple, keep going until you have run them all.

Web based online Antivirus and anti-malware scans: (these can be run regardless of whatever else you are using. You must use Internet Explorer to run these.)

Windows Security Trojanscan
http://www.windowsecurity.com/trojanscan/trojanscan.asp

Panda Activescan (IE only)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/co...n_principal.htm

Trend Micro antivirus and malware scan:
http://housecall-beta.trendmicro.com/en/st...orp.asp?id=scan

Etrust Anti-virus web scanner
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx

Kaspersky Anti-Virus Web Scanner
http://www.kaspersky.com/service?chapter=161739400#betatest

online trojan scans here -
http://scan.sygatetech.com/pretrojanscan.html
http://windowsecurity.com/trojanscan

SP2 is primarilly involved with adding critically needed security to Windows XP, and all the "bugs" it originally were purported to exist have been corrected. Most problems experienced by those who installed were the fault of third party code that was not compliant with Microsoft's published requirements or the result of malware existing on the systems, so that is why it is critical that your system be clean before installing SP2. Most third party vendors have already updated their drivers so as to become compliant with the requirements made by SP2. Go to their sites and update whatever software and hardware applies to your system.


Those refusing to install SP 2 on their Windows XP systems are acting irresponsibly – like drunk drivers, weaving and speeding through heavy traffic on bald tires in the rain. They are allowing their computers to increase everyone else’s risk of exposure to viruses, Trojans and other malware by operating systems on the Internet lacking essential protection against malware infection - Critical security updates. It is simply irresponsible behavior.

If everyone used adequate security measures, continually updated operating systems, regularly updated AV and anti-malware programs, there wouldn’t be any more virus pandemics and malware would not be running rampant all over the internet as it is now. SP2 is primarily involved with increased security and is critical to have installed! Truthfully, anyone who hasn't installed critical updates should not be allowed to access the internet because they increase the risk of infection for all other users!

According to Microsoft, SP 2 (and SP1 in your case) are Critical (meaning absolutely necessary) Updates that address security issues. Without the Critical Updates provided by SP 1 and 2 your computer lacks much of its ability to prevent the vicious and criminal miscreants who produce malware from turning your computer into a zombie controlled by them to spread their malicious code. By not installing SP 2 you are loosing your ability to access future updates from Microsoft as well.

The vast majority of original problems experienced by some users upon installing SP 2 were the result of third party code that did not comply with Microsoft requirements – not flaws in XP or SP 2. Most of the manufacturers of peripheral devices and applications have issued updates for their products, making them compliant with the Microsoft code requirements and therefore no longer in conflict providing their updates are loaded. Most users of recent equipment had no problems with SP 2, just those using older equipment or programs.

Microsoft is offering a free CD for the installation of SP2.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows....lt.mspx

Those using it experience far fewer problems than those who download it. Act responsibly - order it and use it!

Microsoft is also offering free support should you experience any problems after installing SP 2. Technical support is available from Microsoft Product Support
Services at 1-866-PC SAFETY (1-866-727-2338).
There is no charge for support calls associated with security updates.

The following will enable you to determine if you are likely to have problems installing SP2:

Knowledgebase: Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality when they run on a Windows XP Service Pack 2-based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...ct=windowsxpsp2

Knowledgebase: Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/842242/

Be a responsible internet user and install SP2 in your computer as soon as
possible.

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:47 AM

Hi just like to add to the above post that it should be a rule on forums that anyone logging on to them without full security like sp2 should be banned untill they do, or not give them help, if they won't listen or take the advice then their logon name should be taken, and banned from giving advice, because how can they give advice to others when they are running computers open to hackers and viruses, and the mods should make a note of e-mail addresses, in case they change their names.
As we all log on and even now we could be being infected by someone who is laughing and boasting i don't need SP1 or SP2 and i will be checking this computer as soon as i finish this post to make sure this computer has not been invaded by some virus or trogan because some one who could not be bothered logged on.

Also have heard from a very good member of microsoft that anyone logging on for updates how once the validation has done the scan, not found to have sp2 on their computer will be refused updates, but they don't know when that is being bought into force.

The sooner the better.

Edited by thedon57, 04 September 2005 - 10:55 AM.

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:54 AM

That Microsoft policy has already been in force for a few months.

The only way for these folks to get further updates is to set updates on automatic, which will install SP1 and SP2 first.

You can't be infected by a ost on a forum, but take care in who yopu download anything from, including email.

The miscreants who keep their computers from being updated can and do infect others who take downloads or mail from them.

Edited by Enthusiast, 04 September 2005 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:00 AM

Sorry Enthusiast didn't see your post, back you all the way, but it should be up to the mods on the sites now to do their job with posts who come on boasting.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 02:15 PM

The first AND second time i tried to install SP2, the "update" crashed my computer. It wasn't until i waited a few months while still using SP1, then updated to SP2 that it worked.

And for the suggestion to ban everyone not using SP2, what about the members that aren't using XP? Are we supposed to ban them to?

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 02:46 PM

i did not mention anyone not using xp, just that if they use xp then they should use sp2, read post properly, NOT USING XP show where that is mentioned, and that is only by you.
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Posted 08 September 2005 - 08:23 AM

As we all log on and even now we could be being infected by someone who is laughing and boasting i don't need SP1 or SP2 and i will be checking this computer as soon as i finish this post to make sure this computer has not been invaded by some virus or trogan because some one who could not be bothered logged on.


I think you are misinformed thedon57. If that were the case, this forum and all our members would be riddled with infections from those members who post HiJack This logs here. It is a physical impossibility for someone with an infected computer to infect other peoples simply because they visit and post on Bleeping Computer.

it should be up to the mods on the sites now to do their job with posts who come on boasting.


Thanks for the reminder, I'm doing that now.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:00 AM

When the SP2 update first came out, it was advised by "some professionals" (and many not so professionals) to stay away from the update because it caused some third party software to crash. As a Microsoft beta tester, I can tell you that this is no longer the case. Microsoft worked out the bugs long ago.

You really are part of the problem, if you are running SP1 or less, of your XP machine. When you update to SP2 you get several security boosts, plus some extra features. The facts have been out on this for some time. Security for your system and mine starts with SP2. Most all of the software and hardware has been included to work under SP2, if it worked with SP1. The ones that may still have some problems, you can work-around-them quite easily. The security problems will affect your computer while surfing the web BUT not here at Bleeping. You can not get infected here at Bleeping no matter what you are running! In order for that to happen bleeping would have to install something in the html coding or on the servers themselves ~ AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

BUT you are part of the problem out there, on the web! When you visit a site, they can see what you are running. And let me tell you, things are about to come your way by the scum writers! They can add one small line of malicious code to a site and it will attack your SP1 but it will not affect my SP2. You will be back here before long asking us to help fix your machine. YES, we will still help you - we will always help you, because we care too much to watch ANYONE suffer from the malware mess. But why put yourself through it?

"Enthusiast on Sep 4 2005, 10:27 AM" ~ said it all soooo clear. Why not give it a try?

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:28 AM

Thank you Micaman that is what I was trying to put across, trying to help them what could happen to their computer, if they don't bother to install SP2, I maintain and been asked to help out where I live, on computers that have crashed, the first thing I ask them are they running SP2, if they say no they have never bothered or don't want to put it on then I love to take them on to a friends computer shop where he shows them, one with SP2 installed and one without, by the time we have finished we have them sending to microsoft for the sp2 disk.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 12:59 AM

Keep up the good work - "thedon57." Education is the best cure for this problem. It still amazes me how many users are running XP SP1. I had Microsoft send me the SP2 upgrade cd when it first came out, and it gets a lot of use around here. I loan it out to everyone I can find. If you are on dial-up and try to get it, it takes around 9 hours, but with the disk ~ about 45 minutes! Anyone who studies and fixes Window XP machines, knows how important it is. When I repair a machine without it, I insist on installing it.

If we get even a few visitors to upgrade, this topic was worth the weight in gold!


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