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#1 starcraftmaster

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 02:39 AM

hello
on a gigabyte board there are two PCI express x16 slots ( number two runs at x4 )

and the gigabyte website says it supports
(The PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX4_1 slots support ATI Hybrid CrossFireX technology

but all that does is use a discrete card and the on board card

so whats a 4 x port do ?

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Mother...GA-MA785GT-UD3H

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 03:00 AM

with PCI express theres several options available, theres PCI_E 1x, 4x, 8x, and 16x. the number is how many lanes each slot has, the more lanes the more data can travel along them and the faster it goes (this is the simple version. Each one is a different length, however somewhat interchangeable. a expansion card that is PCI_E 1x will run on any PCI_E slot 1x and bigger, while a 4x card will run on anything 4x or bigger, but not anything smaller. now a PCI express 16 slot running at 4x means that the slot is the same size as a PCI_E 16 slot, so you can fit a video card in it, but it only runs at the speed of a 4x slot. So if your only running a single video card you do not want to use that slot. In crossfire however, you would use that slot, as the top card is the primary card it would still be doing most of the work, the bottom card is there to basically help the top one and its not necessary that it runs at the full 16x. now boards with both slots running at 16x will perform better though.

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 05:48 AM

but the mother board does not say it supports cross fire

i only see cross fire hybrid and thats all

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 02:06 AM

yes it does about halfway down the description. that is indeed a crossfire enabled motherboard.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 03:55 AM

well i cant see it

the two things i can see are :
2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 interface with ATI Hybrid CrossFireX support

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1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4_1) (Note 5)
(The PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX4_1 slots support ATI Hybrid CrossFireX technology and conform to PCI Express 2.0 standard.)

i did use search and searched 'fire' and 'cross'

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 04:12 AM

it is-its just without a full understanding of crossfire (it confused me to at first the first time I ran into a hybrid motherboard) one can be led to think its not. this motherboard has 2 PCI_E 16 lanes (even though the bottom one runs at 4x) for two different video cards. that by definition, is basic crossfire. CrossfireX allows more then 2 GPUs. Hybrid CrossfireX indicates that you can crossfire the integrated video with the dedicated video cards. so, you have the capability of having 3 GPUs-the integrated one, and 2 dedicated cards. I myself did not learn this until I ordered a gigabyte micro ATX board with a single x16 lane for my dad for a linux build. we wernt looking for gaming, but once I got it it said it supported hybrid crossfire. at first i was like theres only one PCI_E 16 lane, but I did some research and found out that the hybrid indicated you could link the integrated with the dedicated. kind of a cool feature, Im not aware of anything similar with NVIDIA, as far as I know its only an ATI thing, and only available with certain chipsets, this board being one of the ones designed to be able to do it.

Edited by the_patriot09, 02 February 2010 - 04:14 AM.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:17 AM

Ok thanks

also any one here got the ATI Radeon HD 4200 ? how well does it proform ?

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:29 AM

depends what your using it for-its integrated and combined with the northbridge on that motherboard, which means it shares system memory. For most every day uses it would work, web surfing, email, movie watching, it will run 1080p Hi definition video etc etc. and some light gaming. However, if your wanting to really use it to game with, a higher end dedicated card would be the way to go.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:50 AM

well yer i be mainly doing light gaming
but people say this onboard is quite bad

i want some thing that can at least play the newest games on lowest settings

am starting to have 2nd thoughts about my set up am going to buy as i was really trying to keep it under $400 aud , with a discreet card it will be over $400:

GA-MA785GT-UD3H
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/produc...oducts_id=40365 $110.00


ram http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/produc...oducts_id=39455 $63.80
Corsair DDR3 2GB PC-10600/1333 Value Select Ram

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/produc...oducts_id=37086
500 gb

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/produc...oducts_id=39863 $66.00
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 240 2.8GHz 2x1MB Cache (AM3/AM2+/AM2)

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/produc...oducts_id=42488 $84.70
thermal V3 Black Edition

Total Price $382.50 AUD

do u think this is worth it or is my set up bad ? am trying to get some thing decent

( if u dont know i just post it in the other forums)

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 06:56 AM

well, I have not used that particular card myself, however to be noted, with integrated cards they tend to work better with more memory. even though the amount of shared memory doesnt go up, its weird but ive noted an integrated card with 4 gigs of ram will perform a little better then one with 2 gigs. I dont know why, and its not a huge difference but it is noticeable. I think if it were my build I would up that to 4 gigs of ram, and then just save my pennies and perhaps by something like a 4670 or 4650 down the road. Just make sure its a 4000 series video card so that if you do want to make use of the hybrid technology for better performance you can-you cant mix other series. another option if you want to cut costs and yet still have a better card is to use a cheaper motherboard. Gigabyte does cheaper boards, like I said the micro atx board I got for my dad supports the hybrid technology yet only ran about $75. anyway just some stuff to think about.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 04:26 AM

ok thanks the_patriot09

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 12:50 AM

glad to be of help oh and if I didnt say so before that setup you had is a decent setup I was just making some suggestions :thumbsup:

Edited by the_patriot09, 05 February 2010 - 12:51 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 05:03 PM

it is-its just without a full understanding of crossfire (it confused me to at first the first time I ran into a hybrid motherboard) one can be led to think its not. this motherboard has 2 PCI_E 16 lanes (even though the bottom one runs at 4x) for two different video cards. that by definition, is basic crossfire.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. More than one PCI_E slot does not automatically mean crossfire is supported. My friend's MB has two PCI-E slots and has no support for SLI/Crossfire.
Fortunately, the motherboard in question does support Crossfire.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:25 AM

rainbow six if it has 2 PCI_E x16 slots (as in that size) then yes it has either SLI or crossfire, that is the only thing that type of slot is used for is video cards, at least to my knowledge. IF Im wrong, please enlighten me, but to my knowledge the only reason to have a secon PCI_E x16 slot is for ether crossfire or SLI. now, you can have other PCI_E slots that arnt x16 that are for other things and dont have crossfire/SLI, but theyre shorter ;)

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 01:33 AM

yes thats right

never heard of any tithing else using a x16 slot




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