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#1 Spectacle

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 12:56 AM

Hi y'all!
I'm on dial-up, maybe for life due to where I live. Need something to handle an older CAD program & internet browsing, it's AutoCAD LT Release 1 & LT Release 2, program size 24 megs.

Current: Dell Optiplex GX110, P3 847mhz, 384 megs RAM, XP-Pro, 76gb hard drive. Once I loaded some programs plus Online Armor firewall & Avira antivirus it's just too slow on dial-up internet, 4-5 minute boot, maybe 30-90 second page transitions. Afraid to even try adding the AutoCad now?

System info. says 384.00MB total physical RAM, 189.14MB available, maybe a dead memory stick, I dunno. According to Dell it can take up to 512MB PC100 SDRAM 168 pin DIMMS. It uses either 256 or 128 mems, so I don't see how a number like 189.14 applies?

Questions: should this current system be able to handle these needs? That is, does it sound like something's wrong, maybe memory, or something else wrong. Would more memory help or is it just tired & underpowered?

Found a new P3 933mHz processor for under $60, waste of time?

If I build what's my best bet on a good but inexpensive board & processor, hopefully decent onboard graphics? How much memory should I go for on a build for AutoCad?

Thanks very much, sorry about the rambling, hope I made at least a little sense....
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:36 AM

looks like you dont need a lot of power am I correct? personally for 60 bucks for an OOOOLD p4 I dont think so, thats overkill especially since you can get a new, better CPU for less then that. if it were me heres what I recomend. I am going to assume you have a good case and optical drive that you can reuse to save some money, and give you some recomendations for a decent build just for the tower.

motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128342

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103188 (this is a single core CPU so it should give you better support with older software)
or, if you want more power:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103772 its dual core so it may not run older programs, but I have the same chip and it does run a variety of old programs-just not necessarily everything. however this one doesnt come with a heatsink while the first one does, but this heatsink should work:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835220030

memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820220269

hard drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136113

Power supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817341016

If you dont have a decent case to use:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811164093 only comes with one fan though theres a mounting point for a second one on the back (recomended)

and optical drive if you dont have one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827136167

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

Thanks!

I appreciate the response & info. Looks good, but thinking I might kick down a little harder on the board. That's been a problem in the past, couldn't upgrade components later.

Thinking of this [?]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...1-398-_-Product

I have several optical drives, maybe a useable case, decent monitor. Hopefully this setup would do me well for quite some time and still allow future upgrades while not breaking a very skinny little piggy bank right now.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 06:41 PM

That's a good board, more so for overclocking!

Edited by ReviverSoft, 28 January 2010 - 06:41 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 02:09 AM

I own that board and I'm very happy with it. But, if you get that board you will also need a video card. Since you are not a gamer, you might find something you like HERE. Of course there are better cards out there, but if you don't game... :thumbsup:
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 02:50 AM

that is a good board, however it is a DDR3 motherboard just to give you a heads up-thee memory I originally recomended, will not work with that board. not a show stopper, DDR3 is actually better then ddr2, just thought Id warn ya so you dont buy that with the memory I suggested and ended up frying something. Also, be noted that the CPU I suggested will not work either you will need an AM3 capable CPU. the CPU I suggested will physically fit but does not have a DDR3 memory controller. So, on that note heres a compatible CPU and ram.


Memory: this is the fastest memory that motherboard will support, you can use slower ram it just has to be ddr3.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820220433

CPU: this one comes with a heatsink, and while its not a quad should still be plenty fast
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103681

oh, and I think wildabeast has that board confused with another board, the board you put up there has an integrated ATI 4200 video card.

Edited by the_patriot09, 29 January 2010 - 02:51 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 11:14 AM

:thumbsup: , you're right Patriot, it does have video.

I have a video card with mine so never thought about whether or not it had on board. I'm use to not seeing on board anymore. My bad.
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 04:13 PM

lol its ok ive done the same thing before :thumbsup:

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:13 PM

Thanks for the further info, guys! Sorry I didn't get back sooner but the current machine has kept me real busy trying to dial it in [mutter mumble growl].

I picked that board out of the hat, not knowing a lot about any of it. I don't want to jam myself into a corner, like getting something that takes real special or pricey components. So I prefer a good solid board even with decent onboard graphics that uses reasonably priced, fairly generic components, and hopefully for a long time.

If there's something better along those lines I'm all ears. I'd like an AMD processor. I've been out of the loop and don't know what's the hot ticket anymore.

THANKS for the suggestions!
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 12:31 AM

that board is fantastic if your planning on using DDR3 memory. if you want to stay with the cheaper DDR2 this would work well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128395 or, for another DDR3 option, this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128378 they are both AMD boards.

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 03:00 AM

The Intel i7 core is the hot thing right now, although I don't know if it's worth the extra money. AMD has treated me real good and I stick with them. Gigabyte boards, I've built 3 (I think) computers with them and never had any problems with them and I recomend them. I currently have an ASUS board and it works well also. The first board Patriot linked to uses the DDR2 ram which is cheaper but either way, IMO, is good. :thumbsup:
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 08:43 AM

Thanks again!

The AMD processor at last link looks real good for what I'll need, sold on that.

Boards: I have an old miniATX machine with Gigabyte, always liked it & back then Gigabyte was just beginning to earn respect. Glad to hear they are well respected nowadays, think I'll go that direction. The first board now looks good to me, and uses cheaper DDR2 that would suit my needs.

I see that all boards at links are spec'd ATA/ SATA & SATA RAID, and my current-use drive and a couple I need to get info off of are IDE. I don't want to lose what's on all these IDE drives so I guess I'd be out of luck there? I know little about this. Obviously have to buy a new drive to go with the new machine but don't want to lose current data.

So that's the last question for now: IDE versus ATA/SATA SATA-RAID?

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:19 AM

All of the boards mentioned in this topic have 1 PATA (IDE) socket.
This will allow you to run 2 PATA (IDE) drives.
You could also opt for a PCI to IDE add-on card, like this, if you need to run more than 2 IDE drives.

If you just want to transfer your info to the faster SATA drives, just plug in the IDE drives using the ribbon cable, transfer needed info to the SATA drives, then remove the IDE drives.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 04:42 PM

Great, thanks again for the info! All of you have really helped, a new machine is in the near future :thumbsup:
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:03 PM

You're welcome, Spectacle.
If you have any more questions, just ask.
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