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#1 madjunac

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 04:39 PM

hi, everybody!
recently, i got myself a new gpu: gigabyte gts 250 oc 1gb
used to have msi hd4670
rest of my rig is
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i was very pleased with my new gpu performance
i tried to oc 250 even more
didn't get much, so i got clocks back to default
now, i seem to experience some problems...
when i play games there are certain places where my new gpu lags horribly. for example, in modern warfare2 i have some 100fps average, 220fps max, but 10fps min!?! the funny thing is that this game ran smoothly with 4670! places where game lags with 10fps ran just fine with 4670...
and, now and then, picture on my monitor display starts shivering while playing. if i quit playing game at that very moment, desktop is shivering obviously for ten or so seconds.
temps are from 35 to 73C. seems a bit high, isn't it?
can anyone give me some explanation, please?
should i be worried?
can this be fixed?
is gpu acting wierd because cpu, or ram or hard drive is bottlenecking?
thanx in advance!

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#2 madjunac

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:33 PM

anyone...please...
i really need help :thumbsup:

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:51 PM

did it lag before you overclocked it? if so, then you have 2 possibilities: hardware issue (bad card from the manufacturer) or a driver issue in that the driver is not working right or clashing with other hardware drivers. did you uninstall the drivers for the ATI video card before you installed the Nvidia one? if the card worked fine before the overclock, then something went wrong during the overclock, and damaged your hardware, and youd probably be better off throwing the old card in. if it lagged before, make sure all ati drivers are uninstalled (anything ati) and then reinstall your NVIDIA drivers with the latest ones.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 04:32 AM

did it lag before you overclocked it?


i can not be very sure :thumbsup:
i ran into overclocking the very same day...


did you uninstall the drivers for the ATI video card before you installed the Nvidia one?



yes i did. ran CCcleaner, erase all ATI folders...



if the card worked fine before the overclock, then something went wrong during the overclock, and damaged your hardware, and youd probably be better off throwing the old card in.



hope it didn't went wrong. after all, the OC wasn't massive. was low to moderate, i would say. from 765/1100/1912 to 814/1182/2001 at most. i down clocked it immediately, because games did freeze.
i've noticed that game lags always at the same places. when i go again through that very same place, there is no lag at all. so i figure out that those places are in-game loadings.
does this mean anything to you :flowers:

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:36 AM

well, if your 4670 didnt lag there, then in theory your 250 shouldnt either (it is in theory a more powerful card) however on the same note, ATI and NVIDIA cards do work differently applying the focus on different points. tell me are the settings the same with both cards? and even a modest overclock can sometimes cause damage, but this could also be a driver error to.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 10:57 AM

all settings maxed @ 1680x1050
there is another thing...
these days i played resident evil 5 (awful game :thumbsup: ) it worked with some 45-50fps average with no problems at all. now i'm playing call of juarez with some 75-80fps. it is lagging now and than. hl2 episode2 not at all. world at war: now and than, but 4670 worked those places swiftly. modern warfare 2: disgusting! 4670 worked it lovely.
when i first pinned the 250 i immediately tried those call of duty games. i was stunned with the way 250 worked them out!!!
just remembered: my screensaver is not working. maybe i t doesn't have to do anything with 250 problem. maybe it does.

Edited by madjunac, 12 January 2010 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:15 PM

well, keep in mind that ATI and NVIDIA work differently as well. It is possible that there are certain areas that the ATI card handles better the NVIDIA. For example, my card, and ATI 3870 x2, does water a lot better then a comparable NVIDIA card. When we hit the water area of a game like say Crysis, my card rendered the water to where it looked better and had a better framerate then say the 9800 x2, yet there were places where it would handle the game better then my card. as a general rule though, what Ive noticed between the two is that ATI tends to have slightly better image quality while NVIDIA has faster framerates. But in your case, I would guess its sounding like it may be a driver issue, I would try uninstalling the driver and reinstalling it. If your not using the latest, then install the latest, if you are just reinstall the latest, and if that doesn't work, then roll back your driver to an earlier one and see if that works. one more thing to look for though is the power supply-the 250 requires a slightly more powerful PSU. while the 4670 will only require a 400 watt PSU with around 25 amps on the 12v rails, while the 250 requires a 450 watt PSU with at least 30 amps on the 12v rails. if you dont have 450 watts, or at least 30 amps, your PSU may be to weak to handle that video card under maximum power, which would explain why its lagging at certain areas.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:09 PM

interesting. never thought of that...
would be glad if everything is OK with my hardware. i'll try everything you suggested. or maybe clean win install.
think i should invest in better housing ventilation.
but still, the great fps discrepancy in modern warfare2 keeps me worried.
and the occasional picture shivering...
and yah, i have lc power 550w. think it's enough.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:49 PM

Which PSU is it? What's the Amp rating on the +12V rail?

I have my doubts on the OC'in you did, might have had an impact.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 09:46 PM

wattage is ok-but whats the amperage. you can have an 800 watt PSU, and if the amperage rating on your 12v rails doesnt equal 30 amps, the PSU will not run it. And video card overheating can cause issues to, try downloading rivatuner and monitoring the temps of the video card.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 11:51 AM

it says

+3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5Vsb
22A 21A 15A 10A 0.3A 2A


this isn't enough, isn't it :thumbsup:
but, how come the card is working?

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 04:40 PM

that is indeed a little weak and I would say its your problem. it works, because the card doesnt always draw that much power-it uses power as needed. when it lags up in game, im guessing its at areas that are graphic intensive which means your system is reaching peak power-and that PSU has just under the required amps, so when the system peaks the video card doesn't get all the power needed causing your game to lag.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 05:53 PM

Power problems don't really cause lags. It might cause a program to close, a BSOD, artifacts etc, but not really lags.

Do you have any programs running in the background causing lags? How much memory are you using. Any hard drive activity when the lags occur? I got lags on CRYSIS due to only having 2 gigs of RAM. Don't know why it didn't happen with your old card, just throwin' stuff out there. Take a DVOM and check your voltages on a spare molex when you are in a game and see if any of the voltages are out of spec. If you have a connector on the videocard, you can backprobe that as well to get voltages directly.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 05:55 PM

15A on the +12V rail is too low, considering the card's minimum requirement of 24A.

Heavier load = Higher Power Consumption

It's underpowered with your current PSU, so I strongly suggest you get a new PSU that can power your card with ease.

Edit: As pointed out, bottlenecking and simultaneous hard disk activity can also cause lags.

Edited by ReviverSoft, 14 January 2010 - 05:58 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:50 AM

As I have noticed, problems occure when in-game loadings are happening. For example: in Modern Warfare2 when player is under the sea in special vehicle and moving along the USA submarine fps is falling from 220 to 10!!! 4670 worked it like a charm. And really nothing is happening while gliding near the submarine. I don't even have the control over my soldier :thumbsup:
But, explosions, smokes, splashes, sparkles and all other demanding stuff are rendered beautifuly! And if it is possible, when I come back to particular 'lagging' spot, everything is peachy :flowers:
Furmark result is 3900 @ 1280x1024 no AA. Max temperature is 86C. This is Ok, isn't it?
Maybe I worry too much. Maybe I should buy another 1GB of RAM and enjoy my new GPU...

Edited by madjunac, 15 January 2010 - 10:30 AM.





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