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Could I really have safely removed a backdoor trojan?


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#1 sportsvine

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 05:26 PM

Last night, I was on some site that I thought was a legitimate site to watch a tv show online, well, I got infected multiple times. Some of the infections were backdoor trojans, and another one had rootkit in its name.

I ran my malwarebytes (which I had already installed on the computer) and found 28 infections, and told me I had to re-start the computer to possibly complete the removal of infections.

So after re-starting, I ran Spybot S&D, and this detected another 6 infections, which removed all but 1, but the last one may be removed by restarting. So after restarting, I ran Spybot S&D again, and it did not have any detections at all. I also ran Mawarebytes again, and my Avira Anti-Vir protection software and found no infections at all.

Today, I ran Spybot S&D again, and found a Zedo cookie. I googled the Zedo cookie and found that this seems to be less harmful than the other stuff I had last night.


Even though I am not detecting any of the viruses I had last night, I am still not convinced that I have safely removed the harmful infections. Some of the other stuff I found online suggested that I will likely have to reformat my computer.

Can someone please inform me if Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D safely remove backdoor trojans, and give me some feedback?

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 06:26 PM

Hello and welcome let's do this.

Rerun MBAM (MalwareBytes) like this:

Open MBAM in normal mode and click Update tab, select Check for Updates,when done
click Scanner tab,select Quick scan and scan (normal mode).
After scan click Remove Selected, Post new scan log and Reboot into normal mode.


Next run ATF and SAS:
Note.. SAS doesn't open the registry hives for other user accounts on the system, so scans should be done from each user account.

Note: On Vista, "Windows Temp" is disabled. To empty "Windows Temp" ATF-Cleaner must be "Run as an Administrator".

From your regular user account..
Download Attribune's ATF Cleaner and then SUPERAntiSpyware , Free Home Version. Save both to desktop ..
DO NOT run yet.
Open SUPER from icon and install and Update it
Under Scanner Options make sure the following are checked (leave all others unchecked):
Close browsers before scanning.
Scan for tracking cookies.
Terminate memory threats before quarantining
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Click the "Close" button to leave the control center screen and exit the program. DO NOT run yet.

Now reboot into Safe Mode: How to enter safe mode(XP)
Using the F8 Method
Restart your computer.
When the machine first starts again it will generally list some equipment that is installed in your machine, amount of memory, hard drives installed etc. At this point you should gently tap the F8 key repeatedly until you are presented with a Windows XP Advanced Options menu.
Select the option for Safe Mode using the arrow keys.
Then press enter on your keyboard to boot into Safe Mode
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Double-click ATF-Cleaner.exe to run the program.
Under Main "Select Files to Delete" choose: Select All.
Click the Empty Selected button.

If you use Firefox or Opera browser click that browser at the top and choose: Select All
Click the Empty Selected button.
If you would like to keep your saved passwords, please click No at the prompt.
Click Exit on the Main menu to close the program
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NOW Scan with SUPER
Open from the desktop icon or the program Files list
On the left, make sure you check C:\Fixed Drive.
Perform a Complete scan. After scan,Verify they are all checked.
Click OK on the summary screen to quarantine all found items.
If asked if you want to reboot, click "Yes" and reboot normally.

To retrieve the removal information after reboot, launch SUPERAntispyware again.
Click Preferences, then click the Statistics/Logs tab.
Under Scanner Logs, double-click SUPERAntiSpyware Scan Log.
If there are several logs, click the current dated log and press View log.
A text file will open in your default text editor.
Please copy and paste the Scan Log results in your next reply.
Click Close to exit the program.


Please ask any needed questions,post logs and Let us know how the PC is running now.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 07:39 PM

Here is my paste of my scan log from running MBAM again.

Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware 1.41
Database version: 3033
Windows 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1

10/25/2009 6:36:46 PM
mbam-log-2009-10-25 (18-36-46).txt

Scan type: Quick Scan
Objects scanned: 108028
Time elapsed: 3 minute(s), 58 second(s)

Memory Processes Infected: 0
Memory Modules Infected: 0
Registry Keys Infected: 0
Registry Values Infected: 0
Registry Data Items Infected: 0
Folders Infected: 0
Files Infected: 0

Memory Processes Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Memory Modules Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Keys Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Values Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Data Items Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Folders Infected:
(No malicious items detected)

Files Infected:
(No malicious items detected)


Now I will move on to the next step of what has been recommended to me. Thank you.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 08:26 PM

Hello sorry I meant to post this earlier about an answer to a backdoor trojan.

the identified infections is a backdoor trojan.

This allows hackers to remotely control your computer, steal critical system information and download and execute files.

I would counsel you to disconnect this PC from the Internet immediately. If you do any banking or other financial transactions on the PC or if it should contain any other sensitive information, please get to a known clean computer and change all passwords where applicable, and it would be wise to contact those same financial institutions to apprise them of your situation.

Though the trojan has been identified and can be killed, because of it's backdoor functionality, your PC is very likely compromised and there is no way to be sure your computer can ever again be trusted. Many experts in the security community believe that once infected with this type of trojan, the best course of action would be a reformat and reinstall of the OS. Please read these for more information:

How Do I Handle Possible Identify Theft, Internet Fraud and CC Fraud?
When Should I Format, How Should I Reinstall

We can still clean this machine but I can't guarantee that it will be 100% secure afterwards. Let me know what you decide to do.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:00 PM

Ok, I can change my passwords on a different clean computer, but I would rather kill this trojan without having to reformat my computer. Please let me know what to do next.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:04 PM

Run the ATF and SAS post the SAS log.

Now We Need to check for Rootkits with RootRepeal
  • Download RootRepeal from the following location and save it to your desktop.
  • Extract RootRepeal.exe from the archive (If you did not use the "Direct Download" mirror).
  • Open Posted Image on your desktop.
  • Click the Posted Image tab.
  • Click the Posted Image button.
  • Check all seven boxes: Posted Image
  • Push Ok
  • Check the box for your main system drive (Usually C:), and press Ok.
  • Allow RootRepeal to run a scan of your system. This may take some time.
  • Once the scan completes, push the Posted Image button. Save the log to your desktop, using a distinctive name, such as RootRepeal.txt. Include this report in your next reply, please.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:07 PM

I ran the ATF and here is the SAS log.

SUPERAntiSpyware Scan Log
http://www.superantispyware.com

Generated 10/25/2009 at 08:26 PM

Application Version : 4.29.1004

Core Rules Database Version : 4190
Trace Rules Database Version: 2103

Scan type : Complete Scan
Total Scan Time : 01:13:56

Memory items scanned : 267
Memory threats detected : 0
Registry items scanned : 7202
Registry threats detected : 0
File items scanned : 205799
File threats detected : 81

Adware.Tracking Cookie
C:\Users\chrismichelle\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\chrismichelle@doubleclick[2].txt
C:\Users\chrismichelle\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\chrismichelle@yadro[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@ad.yieldmanager[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@advertising[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@at.atwola[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@atdmt[2].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@doubleclick[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@insightexpressai[1].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@questionmarket[2].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@specificclick[2].txt
C:\Users\Guest\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\guest@trafficmp[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@247realmedia[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@account.live[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@ad.wsod[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@ad.yieldmanager[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@adlegend[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@adopt.euroclick[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@adrevolver[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@ads.bridgetrack[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@ads.pointroll[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@adserver.adtechus[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@advertising[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@apmebf[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@at.atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@atdmt[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@bluestreak[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@bs.serving-sys[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@burstnet[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@content.yieldmanager[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@doubleclick[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@ehg-legonewyorkinc.hitbox[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@electronicarts.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@fastclick[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@hitbox[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@insightexpressai[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@interclick[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@media.adrevolver[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@media6degrees[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@mediaplex[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@msnaccountservices.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@msnbc.112.2o7[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@msnportal.112.2o7[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@questionmarket[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@realmedia[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@revsci[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@serving-sys[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@specificclick[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@stats.manticoretechnology[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@tacoda[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@trafficmp[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@tribalfusion[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low\shelly@zedo[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@247realmedia[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@2o7[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ad.wsod[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ad.yieldmanager[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ads.pointroll[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@advertising[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@apmebf[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ar.atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@at.atwola[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@atdmt[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@bs.serving-sys[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@cdn.at.atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@doubleclick[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@insightexpressai[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@mediaplex[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@microsoftwlmessengermkt.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@msnaccountservices.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@msnportal.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@oasn04.247realmedia[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@questionmarket[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@revsci[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@serving-sys[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@trafficmp[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@windowsmedia[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@zedo[1].txt


My wife also logs onto vista with her own password. Should I run SAS again on her screen and post her SAS log?

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:12 PM

OK, should I download rootrepeal next? There is 1 primary mirror and 3 secondary mirrors in the link you posted. Which one should I use? All three?

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:33 PM

Yes there's no sense taking a chance. Just label them His/hers
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:37 PM

Ok, Mine is in a previous message already posted. I'll start doing hers now.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:44 PM

They are just alternates in case one doesn't work/ I'll look back tomorrow.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 11:44 PM

Here is the log from my wife's vista login.

SUPERAntiSpyware Scan Log
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Generated 10/25/2009 at 10:24 PM

Application Version : 4.29.1004

Core Rules Database Version : 4162
Trace Rules Database Version: 0

Scan type : Complete Scan
Total Scan Time : 00:42:51

Memory items scanned : 213
Memory threats detected : 0
Registry items scanned : 7182
Registry threats detected : 0
File items scanned : 47366
File threats detected : 26

Adware.Tracking Cookie
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ad.wsod[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@doubleclick[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@msnportal.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@questionmarket[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@revsci[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@windowsmedia[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ar.atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ad.yieldmanager[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@cdn.at.atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@serving-sys[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@insightexpressai[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@atwola[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@atdmt[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@at.atwola[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@2o7[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@msnaccountservices.112.2o7[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@mediaplex[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@ads.pointroll[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@oasn04.247realmedia[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@advertising[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@bs.serving-sys[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@247realmedia[2].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@zedo[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@apmebf[1].txt
C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\shelly@trafficmp[1].txt


I am so grateful that you have helped me with my computer. I will check back tomorrow after class, 3pm Mountain time, (I'm a college student) for further instruction on what to do next.

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 04:59 PM

Boopme, I am back for more advice on how to heal my computer.

I tried running rootrepeal as you suggested, but I got a non-responsive message on the top of the box.

I saw a thread concerning this exact problem of not being able to run rootrepeal, so I downloaded items suggested by garmanma, to get rootrepeal running, but I get this message on an icon titled Win32kDiag on my desktop. This message appears on notepad:

Running from: C:\Users\chrismichelle\Downloads\Win32kDiag(2).exe

Log file at : C:\Users\chrismichelle\Desktop\Win32kDiag.txt

WARNING: Could not get backup privileges!

Searching 'C:\Windows'...



Cannot access: C:\Windows\System32\LogFiles\WMI\RtBackup\EtwRTDiagLog.etl



What should I do to get rootrepeal to run properly?

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 09:00 PM

Ok, I am bumping this thread back to the top so you can find it easy!

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 09:04 PM

Hi, man we are really busy.. Run this and see if Rootrepeal willl run.

Please download Rkill by Grinler and save it to your desktop.Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
  • Double-click on the Rkill desktop icon to run the tool.
  • If using Vista, right-click on it and Run As Administrator.
  • A black DOS box will briefly flash and then disappear. This is normal and indicates the tool ran successfully.
  • If not, delete the file, then download and use the one provided in Link 2.
  • If it does not work, repeat the process and attempt to use one of the remaining links until the tool runs.
  • If the tool does not run from any of the links provided, please let me know.
Do not reboot the computer, you will need to run the application again
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