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#1 Stocker

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 05:08 AM

looking for a gaming PC build, advice or recommendation needed.

Budget: around $500-$1200
Use: playing games (a lot), watching movies (a lot but not as much as gaming) and listening to music (sometimes).
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (64bit)
Storage: a good 550GB harddrive
Type of game: games with heavy graphics. For example, fallout 3, the witcher, oblivion, stalker, etc
*Used to run only one or two programs at once

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I've thought about buying a computer instead of setting one up. However, my friends said that anyone who knows how well about hardware could build a better system for around the same price or even cheaper.

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#2 DJBPace07

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 03:21 PM

PC's that are made by you often have better hardware and may be slightly cheaper. I've noticed in your profile that you're in Canada, so I will limit the hardware below to Canadian retailers and the prices are in CAD.

Case: GIGABYTE GZ-FA2CA-AJB Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - A full tower ATX case is suggested since they have the needed depth for the large, powerful graphics cards. I've often found that aluminum cases are better made than completely steel ones. $157

Motherboard: ASRock M3A780GXH/128M AM3 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - This board supports the latest AMD CPU's using the AM3 socket. DDR3 and Crossfire is also supported. $99

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - I would suggest the 965, but the marginal increase in speed for a higher cost doesn't make it worthwhile. This is one of AMD's fastest CPU's using the AM3 socket. It is based of the more efficient Phenom II architecture. $229

RAM: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - Your motherboard requires DDR3 memory. Given your budget, you could probably afford to get two of these kits, if you wished. As you're aware, RAM capacities over 4GB require a 64-bit OS to work. $72 per kit

Graphics Card: XFX HD-487A-CDF9 Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB - This is the most powerful graphics card ATI makes. It uses two GPU cores for processing. $399 (Before $10 mail-in rebate)

Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W - OCZ makes good power supplies, as does Silverstone, Corsair, and PC Power. $109 (Before $20 mail-in rebate)

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB - Plenty of space. $109

Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - All you need is a simple drive that can read and write most optical media, which this one does well. $32

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit - Since you know that you're going to get Windows 7, this acted as a place holder. You can purchase this copy of Vista and get a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it is released. $152

Total Cost: $1,366 (Before Rebates)

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 06:25 PM

Pretty solid build there, just to add on something though.

ATI is releasing it's new 5xxx series in like 2 weeks, It might be worth waiting till they come out to see if one of the 5 series GPU's is a good buy(they should be excellent performers).

I've thought about buying a computer instead of setting one up. However, my friends said that anyone who knows how well about hardware could build a better system for around the same price or even cheaper.


It's always better to build your own in my book, saves you money and give you more performance compared to overpriced pre made things from Dell/Hp etc etc.

p.s: Do you need a monitor in the build too? Or any peripherals?
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 11:24 PM

The HD 4870 X2 is the current most powerful card ATI has, it will probably be more powerful than all but the high-end versions of the Radeon 5xxx series since it is a dual GPU card. From what I can tell, September 10 is the launch date for the 5000 series. If you do need peripherals, that will seriously cut the budget for your new PC. Most users already have a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and mouse they can reuse.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 04:02 AM

Thanks DTBPace07! That's a very nice build you have there.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 03:59 PM

The HD 4870 X2 is the current most powerful card ATI has, it will probably be more powerful than all but the high-end versions of the Radeon 5xxx series since it is a dual GPU card. From what I can tell, September 10 is the launch date for the 5000 series. If you do need peripherals, that will seriously cut the budget for your new PC. Most users already have a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and mouse they can reuse.


Latest scuttlebut has the 5870 really close to the 4870X2 performancewise. Not having to deal with the power requirements, heat, and microstuttering counts for a little. Should go for at least $50 cheaper as well. I love new videocard season.

Edited by dpunisher, 01 September 2009 - 03:59 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 05:25 PM

If a 5870 is a single GPU configuration that offers the same performance as the 4870 X2 but at a lower price, then that is a good deal. I think when ATI releases the 5xxx series they will be cutting prices on the current 4xxx stock. ATI will be holding a prelaunch on September 10th where they will be releasing official information on the 5xxx series of cards, with the main launch coming on September 22nd. Retail shipments should happen shortly thereafter. If ATI is going to release the 5870 X2, it will several months following the release of the vanilla 5870.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 06:00 PM

If a 5870 is a single GPU configuration that offers the same performance as the 4870 X2 but at a lower price, then that is a good deal. I think when ATI releases the 5xxx series they will be cutting prices on the current 4xxx stock. ATI will be holding a prelaunch on September 10th where they will be releasing official information on the 5xxx series of cards, with the main launch coming on September 22nd. Retail shipments should happen shortly thereafter. If ATI is going to release the 5870 X2, it will several months following the release of the vanilla 5870.

http://www.overclock.net/ati/559747-ati-5000-series-4.html

There's some word on release dates but nothings certain. I would love to get one of the 5 series cards but I'd rather wait to see what the GT300 has in store for us. A trusted friend told me on xfire that the performance differences from the 4 series models and 5 models series is about 1.6x times better EG:4870>5870 etc etc, I'm xfire'ing him now to see his source(he afk atm) but I trust him on it.

It's gonna be an exciting few months ahead :thumbsup:

edit: He just told me it was not from a great source so nevermind that.

Edited by IrishGrimReaper, 01 September 2009 - 06:06 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:54 AM

Most of what is known about the 5 series is speculation, nothing definate has come from ATI. I highly doubt the performance difference is as great as 1.6x times. What we can expect is a shrinkage of the die, allowing for a cooler and more efficient GPU, in addition to a bump in technology. NVidia hasn't released a new chipset for the AM3 socket, they're still using the old 700-series. More importantly, very few motherboards designed for AM3 only actually have the chipset that allows for SLI. The GTX 300 series of cards will be launched towards the end of the year and may represent a radical departure in GPU architecture. Regardless of which card is ultimately chosen, the OP will have a very powerful graphics setup.

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Posted 13 September 2009 - 08:57 PM

Is it possible to get only some of the parts for now?

This is my current build:
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Computer:
Computer Type ACPI x64-based PC
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate

Motherboard:
CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2400 MHz (12 x 200) 4600+
Motherboard Name Asus M2N-E (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x4, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN)
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 570 SLI, AMD Hammer
System Memory 3072 MB (DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM)
DIMM1: Kingston 2G-UDIMM 2 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
BIOS Type Award (01/03/07)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT (512 MB)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT (512 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
Monitor LG L1752T (Analog) [17" LCD] (1609252503)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Analog Devices AD1988B @ nVIDIA nForce 570 SLI (MCP55P) - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller
IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller
IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller
IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Storage Controller Microsoft iSCSI Initiator
Disk Drive ST350032 0AS SCSI Disk Device (500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II)
Disk Drive ST380811 AS SCSI Disk Device (80 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II)
Optical Drive HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H50N ATA Device (DVD+R9:10x, DVD-R9:10x, DVD+RW:18x/8x, DVD-RW:18x/6x, DVD-RAM:12x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/32x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM)
SMART Hard Disks Status Unknown

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 465.8 GB (409.1 GB free)
D: (NTFS) 60000 MB (41170 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 16308 MB (16217 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 8 MB (5 MB free)
Total Size 540.3 GB (465.2 GB free)

Network:

Primary IP Address 192.168.1.105
Primary MAC Address 00-1A-92-67-31-7C
Network Adapter Hamachi Network Interface (5.223.169.63)
Network Adapter NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller (192.168.1.105)

Edited by Stocker, 13 September 2009 - 08:57 PM.


#11 DJBPace07

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Posted 13 September 2009 - 10:37 PM

Well, you can get the motherboard, CPU, RAM, case and Windows now. The motherboard, CPU, and RAM must all be purchased together, Windows needs to be installed since you're replacing or getting a new motherboard, and a case is needed to contain everything. You can do this if you are going to cannibalize your current PC for all the other parts such as the PSU, GPU, and the drives. Later, you can get the remaining parts. This will split cost of the PC into two.

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