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#1 buckshotdad1960

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 09:47 AM

Of course we need courts, judges, sneaky snake lawyers and even scum of the earth prosecutors. We would be in bad shape without them. Now, civil courts can be humorous but criminal courts can be down write comical! In most cases their nothing more than mockeries of injustice.

Here's what I mean, take the judge for example (any judge) they all call themselves honorable but have you ever meet one that wasn't a complete dirt bag? Be honest! You can lie to me but you can't lie to yourself! Judges think they are mini god's and love to be the star of attention. They make their living off the blood, sweat and tears of the poor and often use their position to advance themselves into the political arena for even more money and power. Think about how cold blooded you have to be to be a criminal judge. Criminal courts have ruined more people's lives than the criminals who we set the courts up for to keep the street criminal from ruining the lives of honest, hard working patriotic Americans. Criminal courts make more criminals than they get rid of, not the other way around. Have you ever heard of proactive policing? What about the privatization of prisons? If you don't understand those two things then you're asleep and soon to be on your way to prison. Even worst, your children will become the next group of prey for the judicial system. Funny huh?

Note: Topic split from http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/248979/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-court/ -AA

Edited by buckshotdad1960, 19 August 2009 - 08:52 AM.
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Posted 18 August 2009 - 09:58 AM

Buckshotdad1960...you wouldn't , by any chance, live in Penna? Your comment tweaked my wings....

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 10:11 AM

No, sorry! What kind of wings do you have?

Bat wings?

Your not Batman are you?

Edited by buckshotdad1960, 18 August 2009 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2009 - 11:23 AM

Hopefully without hijacking the thread: Privatizing prisons is a bad idea.

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 12:16 PM

No Buckshotdad1960, please do not be sorry! I live in Luzerne County...New Home of the FBI. But I am sure, you have heard, what went down there? Nooo...I have Gothic wings...and bats in me belfry. I do apologize Amazing Andrew, if I am going totally off topic?

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 02:57 PM

I donít find the pain and suffering of others to be funny. Nor do I hold in high esteem those who make their living off the misfortune of others. Not that I disagree with kicking someone out on the street for not paying their rent or sending someone to prison if they truly deserve to go. There are certain realities in life we must all face.

My grandfather was a county Sheriff for twenty years and both my parents were police officers their whole adult lives. My grandfather and dad are both now past away and my mother is retired but it is safe to say that I have learned a thing or two about the suffering of others. Too often the people who make their living off the misfortune of others turn out to be in many ways more evil than the people they destroy.

For those of you who do not know what the privatization of prison is all about, it is where the state says to a rich man, hey Mr. Rich man, build yourself a prison and we will pay you to house our prisoners. He then uses his own money and builds a prison. Now to him every empty bed is loss of revenue so he hires lobbyist to lobby law makers to pass all kinds of petty laws that help the police make arrests that give the state a steady stream of prisoners to send to his prison. Clever huh? And we pay for it with our tax dollars. This wouldnít be such a bad idea if prisons were full of hardened criminals but their not. Only 1/3 of any prison houses the states killers, child molesters, carrier criminals of all kinds and anyone else who truly deserves to be there. The other 2/3 is made up of people like you and me. Even the pettiest crime can land you in prison and ruin your life, and even the shortest jail time there can turn into a death sentence because of the high rate of aids in prisons due to intervenes drug users. Most people there are in for drug crimes. The guy who brings in the dope to this country by the truck load is rarely caught but the kid on the street with a pocket full of it makes up the majority of prisoners in prison.

Proactive policing is where the police arrest anyone for anything all the time. No matter how small the infraction they will still arrest you. Why? There are several reasons why.
1. They are in the criminal making business, without criminals they have no job.
2. With an arrest comes an arrest record. This makes you easier to identify and arrest the next time.
3. When youíre arrested and ran through the meat grinder you provide money and job security for all those associated with the judicial system. Gotta feed the beast and keep it alive! Tax payers donít carry the full load you know!
4. Gotta keep the tally sheet looking good. A tally sheet is what helps a cop get promoted to a higher pay bracket. A tally sheet is a record of what a cop has done for the month. It shows how many tickets heís written, how many misdemeanor and felony arrests heís made. At the end of the month it is reviewed by his sergeant and a sergeant can tell if heís worth having around or not. No arrest and you get fired! The more arrest the happier the sergeant! Itís an easy game and we pay for it with our money and bodies!

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 03:02 PM

And I was just referring to a lack over oversight on private prisons leading to unchecked abuse and negligence to increase profit and lower the bottom line. (In much the same way a paramilitary organization doesn't have to follow the same rules as a state-run military, so would private prisons operate.)

Buckshot's got the line on this one.

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 11:54 PM

The truth is we lock up more people than any other country in the world. Prisons are full and weíre running out of money to take care of them. For all of our effort do we return criminals back on the streets as reformed productive citizens? I think not! In fact for all our effort have we ever wiped out a crime? No! Sure the major crimes like murder, rape, robbery and the like are as low as they have ever been but still we lock up more people each year than we did the year before. Prisons are not about keeping the community safe their about making money. Prisons are big business. Have you ever walked into a court house and wondered how much all that marble and wood work that is designed to intimidate and control you cost? Business is good and they did all that building with only half of the money they make because the other half goes to the state. Every traffic ticket, every court fine, every car they confiscate and sell, every home and every piece of land they steal from us, every bank account they drain goes in their pockets to reinforce their dominance and control over us.

This is how the few control the many with brute force and intimidation.

They say that every time a man goes to jail a woman is made poor. Thatís because a woman will drain her life savings, sell her home and borrow money to get her man out of jail. You can go down to the court house any day of the week and find women lined up with money orders. Itís sad really. The bail bonds man views the jail house as an endless gold mine. The dragnet of proactive policing nets up tenís of thousands of people every single day for miner crimes, yes, they will catch a big fish every now and then by a routine traffic stop but most of the fish in the net are sardines! The police create poverty and are responsible for children growing up with out a father or even a mother in a lot of cases. They care nothing for the welfare of these children, as far as their concerned they can grow up to join their family member in prison.

I bet when you get pulled over for speeding you think itís for giving you a speeding ticket. Sure, you may get a speeding ticket but the main point of pulling you over is to make an arrest. If your Mr. clean you just get a speeding ticket but if you have an arrest record heíll want to search your car. You think you have nothing to hide so you foolishly give your consent to search only he finds a screw driver in the glove box or a buck knife in the console you forgot to remove from that last fishing trip, now youíre under arrest for a concealed weapon. He keeps looking and finds that baggie of aspirin your wife lost that time she had a headache only the pills are not clearly marked aspirin or in their original container so youíre now slapped with a controlled substance charge. You can scream their just aspirins all day long but he doesnít know what they are and nobody is going to do a chemical test on them to prove youíre telling the truth. He keeps looking and under the seat he finds a beer bottle with the cap on and two swigs left. Even youíre shocked! Where did that come from? It could have been there for weeks! Now heís got you for an open container. You shake your head in disbelieve of what is happening when he finds a joint under the back seat. Those damn kids! Last Saturday night when you let them take the car they must have been smoking pot! Yes, itís true your always the last to know what your kids are up to like the rest of us but you canít say it is your kids weed and ruin their life too so you say its yours. Boom another charge! Man, what a bummer! You were calling it a night and heading home for supper, a little TV then off to bed but now your headed for the slammer for finger printing, a mug shot and a little bend over and spreadíem! He tells you to turn around and put your hands behind your back but captivity makes you get stupid for a split second and you push the cuffs away! Boom, assault on a police officer! A felony! You just lost your right to vote and bear arms. No more deer hunting for you. He then wrestles you to the ground and sticks his knee in your back but that old high school football injury makes you squirm. Boom, resisting arrest!

Now youíve got enough charges on you to make this guy captain and you thought you were a model citizen playing by the rules. Trust me, by the time you get out of court and they use their terminology to label and define you even youíll think that your a no good scum bag. This kind of thing goes on everyday across America to thousands of people who are no worst of a human being than you. Think it canít happen to you? Think again! Better tell your wife to get a money order.

Edited by buckshotdad1960, 19 August 2009 - 12:08 AM.


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Posted 19 August 2009 - 04:12 PM

Wow... Seems a little alarmist? Surely a past criminal record doesn't constitute legal grounds for a probable cause search of a vehicle?

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:46 PM

In an ideal world what you say is true on both points, but you and I live in the real world. In the real world when a police officer needs to make arrests he may have no reason to ask to search your car but heíll do it anyway just to see what youíll say. If he smells weed he can legally search it without your consent anyway or if you act suspicious. He defined suspicious. If youíre not very smart the officer will start throwing a barrage of questions at you and catch you in a lie. When he does he can arrest you for lying to a police officer and search your car anyway, perhaps then finding and putting additional charges on you. The point is the police officer does this sort of thing all the time for a living. When was the last time you were searched? Never? He knows that people are shocked and amazed at the things he can find and charge you with. If he sizes you up to be someone he needs to go by the book with he will call his sergeant and discuss his legal options and reasons why he wants to search you. A warrant can in bigger cities be obtained with just a phone call. Or he can without his sergeantís permission call a k9 unit to come in and do a walk around of your car. If the dog alerts he has the legal right to search. Only the rich have rights and then those are limited. Donít assume that just because youíre a citizen of the United States that you will be treated as one or that you have rights he can not violate out in the dark. Your word against a police officers word doesnít amount to much. Remember you can not sue a police officer, only the city, county or state he works for. The poor fair even worst out in the dark! You donít have to have a police record to be searched but if you do it will help get you searched quicker.

I am often amazed at the false sense of security people have with what they feel are their rights. A rich daddy, a lawyer in your pocket and connections to the right people are much better than a wheel barrel of rights in helping you turn away trouble. The police officer wants to arrest you then drop you off in jail and let the judge deal with it. But if he thinks heíll have to come back and waste his time in court testifying against you he may have second thoughts about arresting you and just go look for someone more easily to arrest. Providing of course he hasnít caught you red handed committing a crime. If heís caught you then your rich daddy, lawyer and the fact that your best friend is a cop wonít help you.

In a cops mind everybody is dirty of something and heís usually right. There are laws against everything. Iíll bet there are laws against things you donít even know about! Did you know that if a cop gets in your face and starts yelling at you to the point that heís literally spiting on you and that if you raise your hand in between your face and his to block the spit you have committed a felony assault on that police officer and can be arrested, lose your right to vote and bear arms. Yeah, thatís right. Itís a felony. Still feeling special and full of rights? Welcome to the real world.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:13 PM

Unfortunately, buckshotdad is so right. Here, in Luzerne County we had Two judges in the Kids for Cash scheme. Privatize Prisons? Yup, that is what those two judges did, and it wasn't legal. Now Fast Eddie, aka gov of Penna, appointed a special panel to review the system. But how many kids lives got changed because the power those two had?

Wish I knew how to do links...but if you search www.timesleader.com and when you get their opening page their faces are right there. There is also another local paper, www.citizensvoice.com, same thing. But I believe that the Times Leader is a tad easier to archive because you can look under Hot Topics and pull from there.

What rights? Believe me, these judges felt that these kids had no rights.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 12:29 AM

This is America! The land of opportunity where you can be anything you want to be. What ever your heart desires and can dream you can be. Having said that I know there is someone out there whoíll try and be funny and say something like, thatís not true, what if I wanted to be a killer or a rapist or a robber? Yes, you can be those too if you want too! Thereís two ways at least to do everything. One way is legal the other is not. If you want to be a killer just go get a gun and kill someone if thatís your thing. Sure, chances are that the cops will show up and arrest you. You might get the chair or spend the rest of your life in prison. But, if your heart is set on killing people for fun then use your head and do it right. Learn how to follow the rules. Join the army, chances are sooner or later youíll see combat where they want you to kill people. You can kill all the people they say you can without getting in trouble. Become a cop and maybe youíll get to kill someone. Impatient? Join S.W.A.T. for faster action you get the idea. What about rape? Yes, opportunity lies behind every bush. Just find a good bush and get behind it. Wait until a woman comes along then jump out and rape her! Sure, again you might get caught and go to prison so donít do it too often. Whatís that? But youíre horny every day! Well then become a porn star. You can rape all the women you want and they wonít even press charges! If you want to be a robber you donít even have to have a gun. Just pretend you do and go rob a Seven Eleven. But be warned the $20 youíll get might get you 20 years in the pen! Want the big money? Follow the rules and steal legally. Become a politician, judge, bail bond man, tow truck driver, preacher, you get the idea! Yes, America is truly the land of opportunity! Follow the rules and have a nice day.

The two judges you mentioned broke the rules. They got to greedy. They may have broke the share the wealth rule and made an enemy who canceled their prescription to the good life or simply just zigged when they should have zagged and got ran over by unavoidable fate. Either way Iím glad they did. I hate those in power that ruin our lives just so they can eat a little better tonight. The ones that use our kids to do this are the worst. They should be killed not jailed.

Today I was reading on a web site about our governmentís position on child porn. If you listen to the government you think they really care about our children, but I can tell itís all just a big lie and their true motive is not the protection of our children but to make an uncontested buck. Itís like the seat belt law. They donít care if you get killed in a car crash or not, they just sweep the mess up and life goes on but the insurance companies care. They pay for the damage, the life insurance polices, and the doctor bills. They have done studies that prove wearing a seat belt helps reduce injury and thus they save money. So the insurance company hires lobbyist to lobby law makers to pass a seat belt law making us wear it. I have no problem with that. It makes sense to protect your self but I donít like being lied to like Iím stupid. The cops are more than eager to enforce this law because when youíre fined the judicial system gets all the fine money. They act like their just trying to do you a favor and save life because they care about you and your kids when in reality nothing could be further from the truth, all they want is the money from the fine. Having a seat belt on is a good idea but acting like their giving you a ticket for your own good because they care about you is the lie they use so you donít scream HEY IíM BEING ROBBED by a well dressed crook with good manners!

Child porn is the same way. They know that if they make the child rapier look like a big enough villain that no one will come to his ad and they will in effect create a whole group of people they can prey upon for money without anyone suspecting their not really concerned with the safety of your children as much as their interested in making money off these people. Again, like the seat belt law for example, arresting child rapiers is a good idea. Anyone who cruses past your house and kid naps your kid to molest them, films it and sell that film for money, then kills your child and buries them to hide the crime should in turn be killed not jailed. They prefer jailing because they can use tax dollars to keep them in jail thus feeding the judicial beast and keep the machine alive. The problem I have is when the motivation they have is to make money not keep our children safe. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Edited by buckshotdad1960, 21 August 2009 - 12:33 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2009 - 12:52 PM

When I was a young adult, like so many others, I truly believed that I could help change the world and make it just a little bit better. Now, I just shake my head because I realize that nothing really has changed in the past how many centuries? Man is still the animal that he has always been regardless of how many laws we cage him with. We have tried to place a value on human life, whether it is through religion or philosophy, only to "see" another man wipe it out. I really hope it is only the sociopaths that you are referring to, buchshotdad, but I don't believe so. If anything, they are multiplying in number. Do I have the answer? No...and I can't even agree with Satan that his favourite sin is Pride...because I truly believe it is Greed. Greed is what fuels the machine that sets all the sins in motion. And that is my two bites worth, and may I be dead wrong.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:25 PM

When corruption becomes the norm who is the sociopath? When cops break the law there is no law. Picture a world where all the positions of power are given to the hardest criminals in prison. Charles Manson becomes president and so on down the line. Pretty hard to imagine huh? People in prison will never hold any kind of power but what if people just like them rose up and took over? Would we know what that would look like? Would we know when we were being preyed upon and used by people in power? Bush is responsible for a lot more people dieing than Charles Manson could ever dream of and George Bush still sleeps pretty well at night. Follow me? Is George Bush a sociopath? What is a sociopath? Is it a criminal that acts on impulse or one that calculates his moves and plays by the rules of engagement? Those two judges you spoke of were preying on those kids just to make a buck. Look at the lives they ruined. When I was a kid, if you had a Juvenal record, when you turned 18 it was sealed and no one could see it. Now it and your adult record is on the NCIA FBI computer and almost anyone can have access to it. None of those kids will ever have a good paying job. They have been doomed to a life of low wage manual labor jobs. Big companies do a criminal back ground check on you and see if you have ever been arrested. If so you do not get the job. They do not care if the charges were dropped or if you were wrongfully arrested. Every cop that ever pulls them over for anything will run their plates and instantly know they have been arrested. All it takes is to be arrested one time for even the smallest, dumbest thing and you have a criminal record forever. With an arrest record you become potential prey for the cops to arrest. When youíre pulled over the cop already knows you have been arrested, during your conversation he will ask you if you have ever been arrested for anything before. You think well, I donít want this cop to think Iím a bad person because if I play my cards right Iíll talk my way out of this ticket, besides that arrest was a long time ago and over nothing. They may have even dropped the charges and sealed your record so you lie and say no! Boom he arrest you for lying to a police officer, now you have a bigger record and the next cop that pulls you over what will he think about you? Think heíll give you a break? He'll think every word out of your mouth is a lie. The local judge that sealed your record may not be legally able to open your record on that case again and use it against you but his jurisdiction and ruleing to seal the file stops at the state line. Once youíre in the FBIíS computer anyone with a good reason can access your records.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 08:02 PM

Very true, back in the day, they would purge juvie records. But what really gets my "goat" is why do people believe kids have no rights? In this valley, there are 11 year old's with ankle cuffs on, and no word of lie, we have adults walking around who have committed murder. I would love to know what those kids did that was so wrong. What it boils down to around here, if you got a lawyer, you walk, if not, off to jail you go.

Well, if you read the definition of a sociopath, George Bush fits it perfectly. So why am I not shocked?




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