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Asus Rampage Gene II + Thermaltake Armor+LCS


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#1 Pyrofella

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 09:53 PM

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Hi.... I am a bit peeved and somewhat mystified...
I have just finished building a new system and for reasons that evade me, it has failed.
I went to a lot of trouble (and expense) to build a great computer.......As listed...

Motherboard : Asus Rampage Gene II
CPU : Intel i7 920
Ram : 6GB Corsair 1666 DDR3
Video : Palit GTX285 1084MB
PSU : Gold Label Power 860W
Case : Thermaltake Armor+ LCS
H/D : Samsung 1TB
O/D : LG Blueray burner
Monitor : Asus LCD VW220

The whole kit and kaboodle is brand new.
I have built many computers over the years and consider myself as competent.
I presicely followed each manfacturers guidelines (manuals) and, initially, could not forsee what was to happen...
Every thing appeared to function - Drives kicked in - fans spun - Liquid Pumped - Video Card hummed away........ and thats all it did....
No Monitor display (no signal detected)
I rechecked everything was in place.... all appeared fine....
I removed and reinstalled the video card - Nothing!
Reseated the ram Modules - Nothing!
I unplugged all the connections and redid them - Still Nothing!
I eventually disassembled the entire project and redid it from scratch - Again Nothing!
I have since reassembled this machine 8 times and still no display!
I swapped video cards - same problem

I have given up ......

What did I overlook?

I now own the most expensive doorstop in Australia!

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated

Regards
Dallas Nyberg

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:34 AM

It may be "cutting edge" but at the end of the day it's still a computer.
Trouble shoot it as you would any other.

Strip it down to the absolute bare minimum to get it to come on.
CPU . 1 stick of memory, & a video card.

If you still have no luck I suggest you remove the CPU & inspect it & the socket.

Also , keep in mind that you are assuming that since all is new all is good.
New parts have been known to arrive DOA.

BTW, my first suspicion is the power supply.

IIf you have a A-Power Gold Label 860 Watt power supply compare the power ratings to the ones in this ad,

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/A-Power-Tri-Fan-860...709186001r15582

If the label is the same read this,

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-repli...fm/1040636.html

The Shaw "860 Watt tri fan" has the exact same ratings.

"just stumbled over the shaw tri-fan 860w psu... while checking listings on ebay.. now i was thinking that 3 fans on a psu would just a. waste space b. not provide an airflow path.. but then i looked at the specs

peak of 47amps on the +3.3v rail
peak of 50amps on the +5v rail

why on earth you would need these ridiculously high amps for these near-legacy voltages...

peak of 17amps on the +12v1 rail
peak of 19amps on the +12v2 rail

thats a total 12v PEAK wattage of 432W... giving it a continuous output power of about 200~225W on the 12v rails.. "

If the label matches your power supply it may be rates at "860 watts" but it doesn't have enough power where it's needed to run what you have.

BTW, If I found the wrong PSU ignore my late night babbling. :thumbsup:
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Edited by fairjoeblue, 12 July 2009 - 01:59 AM.

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#3 Pyrofella

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:16 PM

Yes... Thanks for the feedback
I was a bit suspicious of the "claimed attributes" that the PSU came with...

Now I am fairly sure it is the cause of my woes....

Since my last post, the computer began powering up erratically-
It would power up - then power down (for a second or two) - then power up again...
I would do this 3 or four times before staying powered up.

Several times it would not power up at all - dead as - then a few more attempts by me to power up - and up it came.

I considering replace it with a Gigabyte 800w Odin do you know of these units at all?
From what I've read on various sites - (other than Gigabytes obvious blurb)- they seem like a fairly good unit.
Interesting and impressive test drive on YouTube

I hope it's a good choice... I really would like to see this beast ( the computer) get motivated... it has already cost me an arm and a leg! :huh:

(and nearly a divorce!) :thumbsup:

Thanks for your help - I'll keep you posted
Regards
Dallas

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:39 PM

Not trying to be fecious but you have [by US prices] a $250. motherboard , a $280. CPU, & a expensive video card.
You NEED a GOOD power supply.
Keep in mind that everything in your computer connects to, & depends on, the power supply.
A good PSU is the heart of a system.

This may be of some help,

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

BTW, the PSU you have simply doesn't have enough juice to run what you have.
I suggest you quit trying to start it before something gets damaged !

Edited by fairjoeblue, 12 July 2009 - 12:50 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 03:04 PM

That A-Power is just a garbage PSU. Why would someone endanger top of the line components with that power supply?

I am a retired Ford tech. Next to Fords, any computer is a piece of cake. (The cake, its not a lie)

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 05:40 PM

Power supplies are one of the least "glamorous" components in a computer.
Ask a person about their custom [home] built unit & they usually mention all the good sounding stuff,

'Yeah, I've got a Gigasus RaceHorse motherboard, Amtel 9.2GHz 16 core CPU, 28GB's of Zowie PC98000 memory, & a Avidia Geon HumDinger video card"

The PSU is rarely mentioned though.

Most home builders don't dig deep in to the why's & what for's of power supplies.
They pretty much take what's on the label to be totally accurate & totally honest.

Unfortunatly, The lower class component manufacturers KNOW this.
They rate a PSU at the max watts it will peak at for a few seconds, not what the continus peak output is.
They get away with this because most supply enough power to make a unit run [more or less] unless it's put under a heavy , max, continus load.

With the new top end stuff the old rules don't apply though.
A bottom end over rated PSU will nolonger get by.

Edited by fairjoeblue, 12 July 2009 - 05:45 PM.

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#7 Pyrofella

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 12:04 AM

Yeah- Depunisher....... thanks....I think?

Iwould reckon I am one of many who are easily duped by these manufacturers.......

but lets wail the whip a bit harder......

Where are the ASUS, Thermaltake, Corsair or Palits recommended PSU specs?
No where in any of the documentation I have does it list or recommend a suitable PSU...

I am now aware of what to look for ..... a bit late.... but aware
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Edited by Pyrofella, 13 July 2009 - 12:06 AM.


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Posted 13 July 2009 - 01:15 AM

I personally wasn't trying to flail harder, just commenting.

The Apower would do for a less demanding unit.
Put it away, it will come in handy sooner or later.

I personally think the PSU manufacturers should have to abide by truth in advertizing.

I find it odd that I looked at the motherboard & video card but saw no power or PSU recommendations.

The Gigabyte in my signature is the only motherboard I have ever bought that had a obvios recommendation.

Somewhere on the web page it mentioned a 500 Watt or better power supply.
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:03 AM

It turns out the problem is the PSU

A-Power Gold Label 860w - 860w my eye!
The specs on the label (which I didn't understand at the time) show it to be actually no better than a 200-300w unit

It can't run my setup at all

I have since ordered a Gigabyte Odin GT 800w
Check it out -

All (hopefully) will be well once this is fitted and I can get the Beast running!

I'll keep you posted...

Thanks heaps to those who pitched in with advice :huh: in particular - FairJoeBlue for bringing me up to speed on PSUs - thanks mate!

Regards
Pyrofella - Australia
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 10:32 AM

You're welcome.

I think you bew computer will start up with no problem with your new power supply.
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