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#1 h2oman2000

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:26 PM

I need some help in determining what graphics card is compatible with my motherboard. I have a XPS 700 and I've heard that the original motherboard was not that great. I was looking at Nvidia 9800 GTX or comparable ATI card. I just want to make sure that whichever card I choose works with my system. :flowers:

Here is my current config:
  • OS Windows Vista Ultimate Service Pack 2
  • CPU Intel Core 2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz
  • North Bridge NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Intel Edition Revision C1
  • South Bridge NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI Revision C1
  • Ram 4 GB
  • Display Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX 512 MBytes
  • HDD Raid0 NVIDIA STRIPE 596.18G
I have more than enough space and PCIe slots to accommodate just about any size card
Any help or advice on the compatibility with my current config or even Nvidia or ATI cards would be great. :thumbsup:

Thanks

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Edited by h2oman2000, 07 July 2009 - 10:35 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:39 PM

The power supply is going to determine what video cards you can use,

Bang for buck a good video card upgrade would be a
SAPPHIRE 100248L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102794

If you look at this list,

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=rmp_vds

The 7900 GTX is # 37 the 3850 [512MB] is @ 26.

If you want a idea of the difference download PC Wizard,

http://www.cpuid.com/download/pcw2008_v1871.exe

Install it & do a Global Benchmark.
Note your Video Global Performance in the results.

I can't guarantee your results but in this unit the HD 3850 I posted the link to has a global performance of 1800 .

Edited by fairjoeblue, 07 July 2009 - 10:49 PM.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:59 PM

Forgot to list the Power supply.

It's a 750w power supply.

I will check out the links.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:11 PM

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Do you have any issues with the card overheating or riding the redline in regards to temp?

Looks like a good card especially for the money. Does the software that comes with offer a temp monitor? Sorry about the silly questions but, I'm a complete newb in regards to ATI. All I've owned is nvidia. :thumbsup:

Thanks for you input

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:42 PM

I have the card installed with the newest drivers.
I did not install the "Catalyst Control Center" as I don't use it or need it.
My card is at 52C right now with the fan at 25% speed.

I read the bad reviews on newegg & did some research before I bought the card.
The fan is not supposed to spin full speed all the time.
It increases speed as the temp goes up.

When I read the bad reviews I kind of figured that most came from people that bought the video card & simply didn't have the power supply to run it.

Too many think the 190 watt power supply in thier HP will run anything.

I have a 680 Watt power supply with the proper 6 pin connector for the video card.

I never had much luck with nvidia cards .
The only one I ever had that worked right was a old AGP MX440 . :thumbsup:

I've used nothing but ATI for years.

If you get the HD 3850 512MB while you are waiting for it to arrive go here,

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

& download the newest drivers to My Documents.

When you install the card & then install the drivers watch the screens & choose to do a Custom install.
Unless you plan on overclocking the video card take the checkmarks out of everything except the ATI Drivers & WDM Drivers .
Then finish the install.

The "Catalyst Control Center" isn't neccessay & sucks up a lot of syatem resources.

If you are going to OC the video card Riva Tuner woks better then the CCC anyhow.
If you OC the video card you will need to set the fan speed to at least 50% [minimum] manually to insure proper cooling as the temp will shoot up.

On the temp monitor thing,
I use PC Wizard to check my temps.
If I minimize it there is a small display in the upper rioght corner of the screen that shows the temps.

Edited by fairjoeblue, 08 July 2009 - 02:48 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:29 PM

Fairjoe

Thanks for all your info. Looking real hard at the HD3850. :thumbsup:


Does anyone else have a similar Dell setup and have different cards that they installed? Also was there any problems with the installs with the Dell Motherboard.

Thanks


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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:56 PM

The only person I know that has a Dell XPS 700 has a Sapphire Radeon X1650 XT video card in it but that was top of the line when it was installed awhile back.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:11 PM

What is the budget for this upgrade?

I am a retired Ford tech. Next to Fords, any computer is a piece of cake. (The cake, its not a lie)

3770K @4.5, Corsair H100, GTX780, 16gig Samsung, Obsidian 700 (yes there is a 700)


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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:34 PM

The budget is from $50 to $150

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:44 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102810
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 02:00 PM

fairjoeblue beat me on that one. In the sub $150 range, NVidia has no real entries.

In the sub $100 range a few 4850s are available as well.

Get the card measurements and open your case up to see how much room is available. I looked at some interior shots of an XPS 700 system and it's internal layout was a bit oddball (some sort of BTX based setup).

Edited by dpunisher, 12 July 2009 - 02:01 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 03:10 PM

My Current card Geforce 7900GTX is about 13" long. Size ,either height or length is not an issue. The only issue is that I cannot update the drivers for the 7900 to the most current drivers from nvidia (v.186.18). The only drivers that I can use with no issues is available from Dell(v.174.74). I'm afraid that the new card will not be supported by this Dell Platform.

I'm a complete newb when it come it come to hardware stuff. So I have to ask this question.

is this something that I should worry about? or is this a non-issue?

All thoughts, comments, advice and info would be greatly appreciated

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 05:24 PM

I've upgraded a LOT of Dell computers.
It's my opinion that if you were to uninstall ALL of the current Geforce 7900GTX software on the computer you would have no problem updating to the newest drivers.

You can't simply go to add/remove & uninstall the drivers.
You also can't simply go to the device manager & uninstall the video card.

Nvidia drivers are worse then gum on a shoe to get rid of .
Even when you think they are all gone, they aren't [on a Dell anyhow]

If you go to My Computer & double click the C drive to open it there should be a folder named Dell & possibly one named Dell Cabs or just Cabs
One of them will contain "backup" drivers for the Dell installed devices, including the video card.
If you uninstall the card when the unit is restarted the video card is recognized as "new hardware" & the drivers are reinstalled from the backup folder.

Since it's free & costs nothing but a little time try this.

First open the C drive in My Computer
look in the folders I mentioned & see if you can find the nvidia folder
If you find it Delete it [but don't empty the recycle bin just incase]

Next go here & follow all of the instructions,

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=16154

When you are done restart the unit.
If it does the "found new hardware" & asks for drivers or a sisk click on Cancel
Once the computer is fully started try installing the newest drivers.

There is absolutly no reason why the drivers won't install IF you have gotten rid of ALL of the old stuff & have the correct new drivers.
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 08:44 AM

fairjoe

I followed the instructions to the letter but it still didn't work. Not sure where it went wrong but the screen turned grey. I could see the desktop but it was faint in the background. I tried uninstalling the Control Panel, Physx, and nView Desktop manager in various orders to see which part was causing the issue. The only thing that cured it was uninstalling the card and reinstalling the dell drivers. :thumbsup:

I going to reformat the hard drive(not for this reason) and will try again to install the up to date drivers and see how that goes. I'm still going to upgrade my card but after I get the machine back up and running.

Any suggestions on the format? I' ve done them numerous times but this is the first time with a Raid0 config.

Thank

h2o

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 09:46 AM

I can't be of much help with a nvidia card as I simply don't use them.
I use only ATI .

The ONLY nvidia card I have ever got to work 100% right was a old AGP Deforce 4 440MX .

A lot of people swear by nvidia , I personally think they're junk .
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