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Germany poised to ban all "violent" video games


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#1 elmongo2

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:18 PM

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/143914

---This is ridiculous. I really dont see how that's gonna be practical. If you did that you'd be forced to censor literally everything like they do in Iran. Kinda like Prohibition in America where it became so much of a headache to ban alcohol that it was eventually repealed because it wasn't worth it.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:37 PM

Except that was not at all the reason for repealing prohibition. :thumbsup:

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 05:15 PM

No but I can see parallels in banning both.

Computer games can easily be downloaded and copied, legally and illegally. Bootlegging them could proliferate underground, just like the way alcohol was, and encourage more crime that the "benefits" of the law would be negated. And how's the government gonna come up with all that extra cash to finance police manpower to enforce it?
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 05:49 PM

How do you suppose they would go about enforcing it?

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 12:34 PM

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 03:27 PM

They'll enforce it with lots of extra, pork-barrel spending. Not that we don't have that as it is.
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 08:15 PM

Hello everyone,
The renewed discussion of a ban of violent video games, or killergames as they are called in Germany, comes after the latest shooting in a school.

Counter-strike was installed on the PC of the shooter (as well as on the PC of most shooters that killed people in their school previously, even though he didn't seem to play it on a regular basis), which is the reason that such games shall be banned. He also played Paintball, which will probably be prohibited soon as well, as it mimmicks the shooting of a living person.

The dad of the shooter was a hunter and did take the boy to the shooting ground regularly. The boy handled guns on a regular basis and knew how to use them. The dad did not lock all his guns away(he is bound to do so by German law), which is why the boy could lay hand on them. But politicians see no need to act here. (I am not saying that the gun-laws need to be more severe, but merely want to point out, that politicians have chosen to put their focus on the games instead of something else and do not take into account the full picture)

Sadly the discussion around violent games has evolved beyond any kind of credibility.

The Convention-X-Treme 14 had to be canceled, because the organizers could not ensure that no one would play "killergames, such as warcraft3" (as well as others, but this was the dealbreaker) during the 3-day-convention. This was the condition under which the mayor would have let the convention take place in his town. Note this is a convention for adults.
He seems to see no problem with the shooting tournament for children under 14 which will take place next month.

This is the third convention for gamers which had to be canceled because the city in which it should have taken place canceled the contracts.

German politicians have found a scapegoat for everything that is wrong with today's youth and they won't reconsider or be sidetracked by facts.


The german goverment is also pushing to install a filter against child pornography, which will be controlled by the police. Most of the political parties already have pointed out additional content which could be blocked, including download sites for violent games, radical political content and p2p sites.

So far this year politicians managed to close down wikileaks.de and wikipedia.de, because of unwanted content, if only for a short amount of time.
(wikileaks got closed down after it published the blocklist that Australia wanted to put into place, which contained much more than solely child pornography sites as they had previously claimed. wikipedia.de got closed down for 4 days because a politician wasn't happy about the information available on him on wikipedia.)

If the law banning violent games is passed, I am pretty sure sites related to those games are gonna be banned quickly. :thumbsup:

(and let's not forget the success of the last german ISP trying to block one pr0n site: It ended up mistakenly blocking all sites hosted by godaddy.com in 2006, an estimated 3.5 million non-related sites)

a biased view from a German,
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Edited by _temp_, 04 July 2009 - 08:19 PM.

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#8 elmongo2

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 01:54 PM

Seems to me like everytime the government decides to "declare war" on something they fail. They play the "Boogeyman Card" as I like to call it to justify banning it to make themselves look good and boost their bloated egos. Just like over here. The biggest scapegoats here are Pit Bulls and guns. Funny that here in Indiana you can get a permit to carry a gun (given you're at least 18 and have no serious crime convictions) and Pit Bulls are perfectly legal. Everytime I see someone walking their dogs most I see are pit bulls or pit bull mixes. When I hear the do-gooders I even try to be fair and give them the benefit of the doubt. I say to them, "Well why dont you show ME all the dead mangled and mauled bodies laying on every street corner from all these pit bulls. Show me where everyone in the whole state is living in complete terror because obviously everyone must be carrying a gun ready to blow everyone's head off. Show me!" And they can't and they won't. They just shut up. :thumbsup:
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:47 AM

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Why would they Ban the Games?

Better than Ban the Guns, Like Australia did.

We had a Freak that broke the world record, so we gave away our Guns.

Other Countries could never handle that?

Do you honestly think that lack of Guns, ever weakened Australia?

(Give me an example?) :flowers:

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 04:15 AM

Banning the guns would make more sense. I agree.

My own experience of watching people play games of shooting other people is that I find it deeply shocking. Here is someone I know well, who is running around a building with a knife in his hand which transforms into a gun of some sort, and the target is another person. Seeing that makes me quiet inside, like some part of me is trying to process this. And it makes me wonder what the thrill is of shooting people? Or animals? Or anything else, for that matter? I did get into a popping-balloons game for awhile. The act of hitting a target has its own thrill, but the killing part does not have a good feeling to it for me.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:59 PM

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Maybe this can Help?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/4297487.stm

Behind the Scenes? Bit like WMD?

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-214916.html

Make up your own Minds?

Guns were Banned.

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Edited by Abacus 7, 08 July 2009 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2009 - 08:13 PM

"Gun control reduces crime" is a myth.



Besides, the criminals that use them (either in the US or the UK) could actually care less whether or not they're illegal. :thumbsup:

Besides, the US and its Eurpoean Allies have enough nuclear firepower to annihilate the population on this entire planet ten times over. I'm not too crazy about that, but nobody complains about it. But someone flips out because someone here has enough firepower in their house to take out maybe a dozen people???

How about 10 BILLION PEOPLE???? :flowers:

And we "citizens" don't get to vote on that (on either side of the Atlantic) either. :trumpet:

Something to think about eh.

And our Second Amendment (aka "The Right to Bear Arms") was put in place to keep the power of the government in check. If the government was to become tyrannical (as England's monarchy was perceived to be in the late 1700's) then the people would be able to take up arms and overthrow it and replace it.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 11:18 PM

To blame one aspect of the whole issue is asinine (big word for stupid). To paraphrase T.I.(P.) "Is music to blame? or did the one's with the good sense not use it?" You can blame whatever you want and the general public will believe you. Good examples of this are "(Marlyn) Manson caused Columbine", "GTA caused shootings in Knoxville/ North Carolina" (03/07), "Tupac's murder incites gang violence" etc. They are not the cause just a ___________ excuse to lay the blame on someone else's shoulders.

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 05:29 AM

Heya,

I didn't want to start a discussion about gun control, sorry.
All I was trying to illustrate is that German politics picked out one possible factor and portray it as the sole reason for the shootings.

Shootings in Germany only exist because of video games. At least if you believe politicians. The whole reasoning in politics is: "The boy played violent games, so he shot his classmates. Ban the games". I fear that many politicians actually even believe, that school shootings will stop after they ban the games.
It could just as easily have been "The boy had access to guns, so he shot his classmates. Ban guns", because obviously you can't shoot anyone with a gun without having a gun. Or the famous "The boy ate bread so he shot his classmates. ban bread" persiflage, that was brought up by gamers, when video games first got blamed. But they went with the video games.
Of course 99,9% of the people playing those games don't shoot their classmates, just as 99,9% of the people having access to guns or eating bread, don't shoot their classmates/work colleagues, either. But that didn't stop anyone.

At least here, no attempt was made to connect the dots, to look for the reason why all of these shootings happened in places where the shooter would know the victims or what the difference between the shooter and the "normal gamer" is.
They found a scapegoat and every time a young person gets so despaired and angry, that it feels it must not only end its own life, but take someone with him, the laws about violent video games get stricter.
It just rids you of the hassle to look for the real reason that kid wanted to end its life to begin with, removing any blame on the schoolsystem, the families or the society. Sadly it also turned every gamer into a potential shooter in the eyes of the German public, but I guess there always has to be a looser.

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 06:01 AM

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Exactly what is wrong with the World, not just Germany, Mate.

It is just so easy to find a scapegoat and lay it all on him/her.

Look around the World?

From Canada? Nope! He was a Cop? Someone did not like him, that is Obvious. BTW I did attempt to start up a seperate Thread about this, but it certainly fits into this Thread as well, that is why I added the Link.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/836998/ma...he-didnt-commit

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Edited by Abacus 7, 13 July 2009 - 08:07 AM.





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