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20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

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#1 timothy


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Posted 28 June 2005 - 03:03 PM

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.



7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.


13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.


14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.


15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)


17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.





19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.






NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely!

So now you know.
Question is what are you going to do about it?

Edited by timothy, 28 June 2005 - 11:23 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 09:29 PM

While these separate facts, if they are true, are interesting, in themselves they PROVE nothing, as any beginning student in logic would point out; moreover,without spending time on researching the links, it appears to me that some of them may be biased one way or the other.
So what am I going to do?
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should be silent.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 09:57 PM

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Posted 10 July 2005 - 12:04 PM

Hey timothy. Thanks for posting these 20 facts. They should be front page news and shouted from all the roof tops!
I think this was the first time in history, in the USA, that the exit polls did not match the elections!
The fact is, because of the historical accuracy of exit polls, the USA uses several respected international election watch dogs, who use exit polls, to monitor voting from all over the world to make sure there is no cheating. Remember a very controversial election just a week or two after ours? I think it was in the Ukraine. Because the exit polls didn't match the voting outcome, the US told them they had better fix their elections or else. But, then to state that the exit polls from the US elections, where some how misleading, is just pure bleep!
As you can see from the two negative responses to you post, people are more interested in the romantic antics of Tom C.,as noted on this same forum, " IS anyone else finding this whole thing strange?", than they are about the truth and politics of this country. What a shame!
Seems that history is repeating itself once again. I guess we'll have to go down that long and destructive road again, before people will wake up.

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Posted 12 July 2005 - 12:24 PM

Your facts are totally incorrect. 0% of the votes here are counted by either of your cited companies. They are counted by hand in each precinct, of which I am a precinct captain for my district. We have election monitors from both parties, and any 3rd parties who are interested in observing. They are at the polls from the time they are opened till the votes are counted.
From there they go to the county who again counts and checks against registration rolls for any potential problems. These boxes are sealed and delivered to the state election board, where they are stored for any recounts needed.

We don't even have machine counting

btw.. at least half your sources are far left conspiracy websites with no basis in truth.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:55 AM

I think the whole idea of the post, 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA, was to point out the many problems with the voting machines.

You state: at least half your sources are far left conspiracy websites with no basis in truth. I have a question? What about the other half? I know that many people wonder about the legitimacy of the 2004 elections. And if only one of these facts is true, I think that you, I, and all Americans have an obligation to check it out. As you know, "We the People" are the care takers of this Republic. And if it takes looking into "conspiracy theories" to find the truth. So be it!
And let me just say thanks for the work you're doing at the elections board. :thumbsup: I know it's not easy. More citizens should take such a real interest in our countries affairs.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 03:24 AM

Oh my gosh! You're totally right! Bush was elected unfairly! Kerry totally would have sweeped him if those crooked electronic voting machines hadn't changed the votes.

Jeb Bush controls the world!



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Posted 19 July 2005 - 11:48 PM

BuenoCabra you are completely correct. Machines at this point in time, do not have the capacity to change or do any thing with out the human hand. That's the point!
If you would like, I'm willing to share with you. several sources of info, in your further search for the truth, in this matter of election fraud.
People have cheated, for far less important issues, than the most important position in politics. Or do you believe that the people who hold positions of power in this country are saints and wouldn't ever stoop so low as to cheat on an election?
To help in your quest, I will start you down the path, with the following.
Note in this article that... 1) takes place before the election, and there's folks already caught cheating. 2) monies for this came form the RNC. 3)remember the name Nathan Sproul, for his name will come up again in your search for the truth, and 4) this is from CBS and not my own opinion.
Maybe you don't trust CBS after the controversy and resignation on the part of one of the medias saints of truth, Dan Rather.
How about the BBC? The largest news gathering agency in the world. From an US born journalist, Greg Palast, who happens to have the number one investigative news program in GB. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm#
This is so serious and Americans seem to just laugh it off. Believe me in much of the rest of the world, they're not laughing.
This is a non-partisan issue. No side, whether it's the DNC, RNC, or little green men, should have the power to change a single vote, let alone an entire election!
Sorry I'm new at this and unable to give direct links at this time. Hey that's why most of us are here at BC, right?

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 12:43 AM

very cool site and facts!

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 02:04 PM

Machines at this point in time, do not have the capacity to change or do any thing with out the human hand. That's the point! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/...ain649380.shtml

This is so serious and Americans seem to just laugh it off. Believe me in much of the rest of the world, they're not laughing.
This is a non-partisan issue. No side, whether it's the DNC, RNC, or little green men, should have the power to change a single vote,
let alone an entire election!

BRAVO dpb510 good stuff.

Thank you

#11 Albert Frankenstein

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 12:59 PM

Perhaps the loser of the 2000 election, Al Gore (remember him?), should have created a way for people to vote safely and accurately on the internet. After all, he profressed to have created the internet in the first place!

*oh my sides*

Currently home chillin' with the fam and my two dogs!

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 08:14 PM

I don't think that bush cheated in any way. I also think that nost of these facts are FALSE!!! Bush did not win because of voting machines. He won fair and square. Machines would not put into service if they lied. All voting machines are tested to make sure that all votes were counted correctly. If you are saying that Kerry should have won and you didn't vote well maybe you should have!

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 10:50 PM


Thank you for those very enlightening bits of information. At the very least we should be asking some very serious questions of our elected representitives. And others.

We are certainly losing control of our societies and this is just another example of the insidious problems we face. It helps if we know the problem before we can deal with it. Thanks again for shining the light on a dark corner of our system.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 12:01 AM

I might add that in the "other washington" 2004 governor's race
will always be remembered as the year of the triple recount.

Naturally it did reveal wide-spread voter precinct ahh, difficulties
that lead to the (surprise!) incumbant party victory bya miniscule amount,
and much inter-legislative postering, paying, rhetoric, challenges to interpretations
of standing laws, and ultimately the continuity of what amounts to increasing doubt
on the part of the constituents that their "sacred and fundemental" right to vote isn't
experiencing an erosion of value as time goes on.

Anyone remember Tom DeLay and the "we'll form a organisation to change Texas"
that led directly to re-structuring of the boundaries between voting areas ...
admitedly being done with demographics precisely targeted to gaining additional
seats in Congress for the party that traditionally did not gain by surgically dividing the
population ... as it populates the area... in favor of "enlightened awareness" of the
factors now in the hands of policy makers.

Not to mention those surveys, demographic calculations, et al are the stuff that
online sources are known to provide ... and yes ... those same sources
have been known to promote malware for it's percentage of data submission.

The government is mandated to protect the wealth of the citizens and it's heritage to it's
successive generations.

National Treasures

The government is therefore primarily involved in banking.
With legal rights well beyond any commercial bank to manipulate the money.
They spend wha tis called money, and they spend lives, what is called war.

They enter into trade agreements, and they can break 'em, too.
Ask any Sioux.

Money, Money, Money is what it is all about.
We are in debt, that makes me think back over my lifetime.

Several years before I was born, Harry Truman took over for Franklin D. Roosevelt,
one war ended, another begun.
That debt began (largely) at that time.

We won, we lost.

I'm living as a witness to what can be called, witlessness.
Never ever fail to bring closure to a significant issue.
Never ever fail to balance important matters
before moving on in ways that will be effected
by the unresolved imbalance.

We have no gold to back up the dollars in circulation,
nor those same notes of currency in banks worldwide.

We are banking on dead dinosaurs under Alaskan wilderness
at a time when we shouldn't encourage full scale attack
on our environment.

The miracle of Insurance Payoffs, and it's economic impact,
or Emerging Technology, and it's creation of personal wealth
riveling nations, in the hands of 1% of the population of
the USA ... nor the Price of a Barrel of Crude Oil fluctuation ...
none of these factors will save our baseline security here
innorth America. That security is the will and ingenuity of
it's people. None of us want the bad news that is coming ...

"sorry people, we're broke."

How better to confuse the entire issue than to erode confidence
in the only thing we the people still have ... a vote that all to often
is called upon for impeachable matters. Holy cow!

Edited by phawgg, 10 January 2006 - 12:03 AM.

patiently patrolling, plenty of persisant pests n' problems ...

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