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#1 studio55

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 08:45 AM

Hi Folks,

I am looking to build a new machine, maybe two identical ones, for my photo studio that I do mainly

_retouching working on large quantity of large RAW files using adobe products like photoshop and aperture ...
_uploading load of these pictures to my site
_Slideshows of several thousands of pictures (fast actions like ice-hockey players) using "pro show Producer"
_editing some rather short videos using adobe products like "premier"

One key issue is that I do not want to use Vista and would like to stay with XP and that said I want to know maximum posible and best configuration of

_Mother board
_Cpu
_Ram
_Video card

I would appreciate if I can be directed to exact model number of these four or more components.
I would love to be able to add 2 1TB of internal hard drive to this machine but I am open to having additional hard drives if sugested.

Many Thanks
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:05 AM

For the intended use you need as much memory as possible .
32 bit XP [Home & Pro] will only recognize & use about 3.25GB of memory.
XP 64 bit can use up to 128GB !

Are these "within a certain budget" or "money is no object" units ?
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#3 studio55

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:34 AM

For the intended use you need as much memory as possible .
32 bit XP [Home & Pro] will only recognize & use about 3.25GB of memory.
XP 64 bit can use up to 128GB !

Are these "within a certain budget" or "money is no object" units ?



Money is no object.

Many thanks
Rick

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:51 PM

The fly in the ointment is from what I have read the new Intel i7 CPU's doesn't run XP very well.
That means a Socket 775 motherboard & CPU.
If I wanted to run XP & had a $ no limt "budget" here is what I'd get.

Motherboard,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128358

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115130

Memory,
If I were using XP Home or Pro , both 32 bit, I'd get 2X512MB = 1GB & 2X1GB=2GB for a total of 3GB memory & install it so it would operate in dual channel mode.
The only problem is to get that you would probably be limited to PC64oo [800MHz] memory which really is no big deal.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231102

&

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231098

If I were using 64 bit XP I'd get,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231166
[I have a 2GB kit of this in this unit]

Video,
I would get a matched set of video cards & run them in "Crossfire" .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102801

I would also get a matched set of SATA 2 hard drives & run them in RAID 0 .

Of course you would need a really good , strong, power supply & a decent case with decent cooling.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 03:29 PM

Use caution with XP 64-bit, it is not as compatible or as stable as 64-bit Vista. XP has also left mainstream support and is in its extended support phase. Also, keep in mind that with RAID 0 you will lose your data on both drives if one hard disk fails. Alternatively, you can get an AMD system and save a little cash, though fairjoe is right in that you will need a powerful power supply, good case, and cooling to run either the below AMD configuration or his Intel configuration.

AMD System

Motherboard: ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 DDR3 AMD 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard - A new motherboard designed for AMD's AM3 processors, it too has Crossfire and can handle 16GB of RAM. $139

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - This is AMD's latest and fastest processor. It performs slightly faster than the Intel CPU but is about $80 cheaper. $255

RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - Although your sticking with the XP dinosaur, this RAM will do well. Note that you will need a 64-bit operating system to use 4GB or more of RAM otherwise you will be limited to roughly 3GB. Having 4GB in two slots should be faster and if you later decide to add more RAM or go 64-bit, you will have an immediate benefit during the upgrade. This RAM is more expensive than the one in the post above, but that is because it is DDR3 and runs at a faster speed. $59

Video Card: ASUS EAH4870 DK TOP/HTDI/512MD5 Radeon HD 4870 512MB - The 4870 is a very good card, as fairjoe pointed out, this one is a bit less expensive. This is because it is a 512MB card and not a 1GB card. Unless you're a gamer or into 3D modeling, a 512MB card will be adequate. If you are going for a dual GPU solution at the time of building, a 4870X2 would be a better choice. $169 (Before $30 mail-in rebate)

Operating System: Windows XP 64-bit - This is suggested for systems with 4GB of memory or greater. I don't suggest XP 64-bit systems due to compatibility issues and the lack of updates with the WoW64. For x64, I suggest Vista. That said, the 32-bit edition of XP will do nicely if you wish to skip Vista and wait for Windows 7 or just simply want XP. $89-$139

Cost: $754 or $704 depending on OS.

Edited by DJBPace07, 06 May 2009 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 03:38 PM

I went a little overkill on the video cards because of ,

"_retouching working on large quantity of large RAW files using adobe products like photoshop and aperture ...
_uploading load of these pictures to my site
_Slideshows of several thousands of pictures (fast actions like ice-hockey players) using "pro show Producer"
_editing some rather short videos using adobe products like "premier" "


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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:10 AM

Thank you Fairjoeblue and DJBpace07

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:43 PM

Another consideration for using the likes of the Adobe applications that benefit from having plenty of memory available - 32bit Windows serves a 2GB memory space to applications. Ones like Photoshop which have been compiled to be Large Memory aware can have 3GB made available to them by using the /3GB switch, but this takes the extra 1GB away from Windows itself, which severely cramps Windows operation.

I've not had opportunity to try this myself, but reading tells me that 64bit Windows recognizes if a 32bit application is Large Memory enabled, and makes more than the normal 2GB available automatically. This has no adverse effect on the operation of Windows itself, as long as there is sufficient RAM available. Considering that the Windows 7 Release Candidate is available and seems very stable, it could be a good way to try a 64bit OS and see if you find it as usable as XP, and if you see a worthwhile benefit from 64bit.

Edited by Platypus, 07 May 2009 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:53 PM

"Another consideration for using the likes of the Adobe applications that benefit from having plenty of memory available -"

That is exactly why I suggested using a [2GB 2X1GB] kit & a 1GB [2x512MB] kit for a total of 3GB setup in dual channel mode if a 32 bit OS is used.

Edited by fairjoeblue, 07 May 2009 - 09:54 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 11:05 PM

"Another consideration for using the likes of the Adobe applications that benefit from having plenty of memory available -"

That is exactly why I suggested using a [2GB 2X1GB] kit & a 1GB [2x512MB] kit for a total of 3GB setup in dual channel mode if a 32 bit OS is used.


Or, you can get two 2GB sticks, load a 32-bit OS, and have 3GB to 3.5GB available. Running 64-bit is better all around if the programs you use can take advantage of the increased memory and more efficient instruction sets.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:51 AM

Thank you all, I am aware of that 3GB switch, but then again you didn't want to leave a detail like that not mentioned, I am not surprised, you guys ROCK.

Many Thanks
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:56 AM

I would like to know how would you guys compare this system with what was sugested here both hardware and price wise for $750.
I hope that the link works.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?...671&topnav=

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 05:56 PM

The AMD system I made blows the Costco computer away, here's why...

The video card is integrated with the Costco PC. Not only is it integrated, but it is a GeForce 7 card which is several generations out of date.
The processor on that Costco PC is a Q9300 running at 2.5GHz, whereas the processor on mine is a newer Phenom II running at 3.2GHz and is easier to overclock.
The RAM amount is the same with the Costco but is not DDR3 which is faster and more efficient.

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