Jump to content


 


Register a free account to unlock additional features at BleepingComputer.com
Welcome to BleepingComputer, a free community where people like yourself come together to discuss and learn how to use their computers. Using the site is easy and fun. As a guest, you can browse and view the various discussions in the forums, but can not create a new topic or reply to an existing one unless you are logged in. Other benefits of registering an account are subscribing to topics and forums, creating a blog, and having no ads shown anywhere on the site.


Click here to Register a free account now! or read our Welcome Guide to learn how to use this site.

Photo

Upgrading old computer


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 Ponderus

Ponderus

  • Members
  • 18 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:38 PM

Okay, I have an old eMachines H2482 computer. I plan on basically gutting it, and replacing virtually everything. Here's what's in there now:
ThermalTake Tr2-430W
K8M800-M2 Rev 2.0
ATI Radeon x800(850)-Don't remember, and I don't have a monitor/keyboard right now
768 MB RAM
AMD Athlon 2400+
48x CD-RW
16x DVD-ROM
80GB HDD

Like I said, old computer. Umm, looking at this, I don't think I'll be saving ANY of it, but I want to make sure I can use the case, I guess. The Form factor for the K8M is ATX, and the MBoard I want is too.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...mp;Sku=B69-2013

I am also looking at a new video card, and I want to ensure that the card is compatible with the MBoard

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...mp;Sku=B52-9814

Any ideas or suggestions would be great. While I know oodles about computers, I've never built one from scratch before. Thanks in advance!

BC AdBot (Login to Remove)

 


#2 fairjoeblue

fairjoeblue

  • Members
  • 1,594 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Local time:08:43 PM

Posted 26 April 2009 - 09:18 PM

I see a problem with your plan.
The emachine case is designed for a "micro ATX [mATX]" motherboard & the Asus motherboard in the ad is a ATX motherboard.
It won't fit in the emachine case.

On the + side the video card will work on the Asus motherboard provided the power supply has enough oomph.
OCZ StealthXstream 700W,Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R , E8500, Arctic Freezer Pro 7, 3GB G.Skill PC8500,Gigabyte Radeon HD 4850 OC [1GB ], Seagate 250GB SATA II X2 in RAID 0, Samsung SATA DVD burner.

#3 DJBPace07

DJBPace07

  • BC Advisor
  • 4,869 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 26 April 2009 - 09:34 PM

Depending on the case, the graphics card may be too long. I also suggest looking for one of the new Phenom II's for that motherboard, they are far better than the regular old Phenom's.

3939.png

 


#4 Ponderus

Ponderus
  • Topic Starter

  • Members
  • 18 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 06:42 AM

Thanks for the help. Now, will the power supply be good enough, or should I go for a 500w one instead? Also, does anyone recommend a certain case?

#5 DJBPace07

DJBPace07

  • BC Advisor
  • 4,869 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:52 PM

The case you should get is based on the graphics card and motherboard you wish to use. A large full-ATX tower case is designed to hold the largest graphics cards and can handle several different motherboard types. The mid-ATX tower is smaller and more mainstream, it can hold large graphics cards depending on how the inside is designed. If you see yourself as a gamer, you may want to opt for a full-ATX tower given its size and cooling capacity. If you are a casual gamer or just a standard user, a mid-ATX tower will do fine. When selecting a case, they come in a few different materials. Aluminum cases are considered quality cases as they are lighter than a steel case with nearly equal durability.

Cases (I chose companies that sold to Canada...for obvious reasons):
LIAN LI PC-A05NB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-US-BA-WOPSU Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
CHIEFTEC BRAVO BA-01B-B-B Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
NZXT Zero Black/Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

As for the power supply, the one you chose will work but I would prefer having more of a buffer, say 500W or higher. If you're going to SLI that card, you will want about 600W. Also, Newegg.ca has a cheaper 9800GT, the SPARKLE SFPX98GT512D3 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB. As for the PSU, below are suggestions.

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W

3939.png

 


#6 Ponderus

Ponderus
  • Topic Starter

  • Members
  • 18 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 08:44 PM

Now I'm just being annoying. Which is better, the previously linked video card, or this one:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/sea...p;sku=P450-9616
It's on sale is all...

#7 DJBPace07

DJBPace07

  • BC Advisor
  • 4,869 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:34 PM

The GSO cards all have lower specs than the 9800GT, generally the higher the number the higher the performance.

3939.png

 


#8 fairjoeblue

fairjoeblue

  • Members
  • 1,594 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Local time:08:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:05 PM

Before you spend a bunch of $ on a video card to play games keep in mind that once you get above 30 FPS you can't tell the difference.
OCZ StealthXstream 700W,Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R , E8500, Arctic Freezer Pro 7, 3GB G.Skill PC8500,Gigabyte Radeon HD 4850 OC [1GB ], Seagate 250GB SATA II X2 in RAID 0, Samsung SATA DVD burner.

#9 DJBPace07

DJBPace07

  • BC Advisor
  • 4,869 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:31 PM

That 30 fps thing is a myth though most monitors will go to 60 fps and some can go to 120. Most movies and video are at about 30 fps, but other forms of video information can go past that. Speaking from personal experience with games, I can easily tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. The brain can handle even more frames per second. But it really depends on the game plus a number of other factors. The question really is, how many fps do you find acceptable.

101fps.com - How many frames per second can the human eye see?
Tweakguides - The Gamer's Graphics & Display Settings Guide [Page 5] Graphics Settings - Frames Per Second
[H]ardForum - Human eye and FPS (frames per second)

3939.png

 


#10 fairjoeblue

fairjoeblue

  • Members
  • 1,594 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Local time:08:43 PM

Posted 28 April 2009 - 01:36 AM

It's not a "can't go over 30 FPS" it's a matter of the human eye simply can't see any more then 30.
Supposedly a game can be doing 60 FPS [I know of 2 people for sure that WOW shows 60FPS for] but anything over 30 doesn't matter.
Seeing a faster FPS has a physiological effect of making a person THINK the game is faster.

I tried a video card in this computer [HD 2600 XT] that is supposedly slower then my X1800 XL.
The unit actually did lose about 20 points on the benchmark & the video dropped from 1300 to 977 BUT the unit actually SEEMED more responsive with the slower video card eventhough logic [& PC Wizard] told me it wasn't.
OCZ StealthXstream 700W,Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R , E8500, Arctic Freezer Pro 7, 3GB G.Skill PC8500,Gigabyte Radeon HD 4850 OC [1GB ], Seagate 250GB SATA II X2 in RAID 0, Samsung SATA DVD burner.

#11 Ponderus

Ponderus
  • Topic Starter

  • Members
  • 18 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 28 April 2009 - 06:43 AM

I just want something new, that's going to last me a while, and runs better than one frame per second. Playing Left 4 Dead on my laptop can be a chore sometimes. I also want to try and stay ahead of the curve a little bit, where Bioshock 2 is concerned. FPS aside, I want it to run smoothly

#12 fairjoeblue

fairjoeblue

  • Members
  • 1,594 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Local time:08:43 PM

Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:13 AM

I built my niece a computer specifically to play World Of Warcraft & The Age Of Conan.

Intel E7200 [2.53/1066] Core2Duo
[G.Skill] 2GB PC6400 [800MHz] Dual Channel kit
Sapphire Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB video card

It runs & plays everything rather well.

[For higher end games I'd recommend at least a 512MB video card though.]
OCZ StealthXstream 700W,Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R , E8500, Arctic Freezer Pro 7, 3GB G.Skill PC8500,Gigabyte Radeon HD 4850 OC [1GB ], Seagate 250GB SATA II X2 in RAID 0, Samsung SATA DVD burner.

#13 DJBPace07

DJBPace07

  • BC Advisor
  • 4,869 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:09:43 PM

Posted 28 April 2009 - 02:33 PM

The human eye can see more than 30 FPS, film standards are at 30 FPS though, as my links pointed out. Based on a number of conditions, the actual framrate of the eye may fluctuate but is always well above 30. Anyway, what is your budget for the updates? How comfortable are you with replacing internal components? For smoother graphics, both in and out of games, a 512MB card is suggested.

3939.png

 





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users