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#1 BlueEyedFox

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 07:43 PM

I need some help picking out a new graphics card and most likley Power Supply for my Computer. I have a 400-500$ budget and am a very active gamer.

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Antec Computer Case
Computer Type ACPI Multiprocessor PC
CPU Type QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2400 MHz (9 x 267)
Motherboard MSI 975X Platinum PowerUp Edition (MS-7246) (2 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset Intel Glenwood-DG i975X
DIMM1: Kingston 99U5316-010.A00LF 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM1: Kingston 99U5316-010.A00LF 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 3850 (256 MB)
Audio Adapter ATI Radeon HDMI @ ATI Radeon HD 38xx - High Definition Audio Controller
Disk Drive WDC WD2500AAJS-98VWA0 (232 GB, IDE)
Network Adapter Intel® PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
500w Earthwatt Pwoer Supply


I am so unsure what to get, I have a Viewsonic VA2026W 1680X1050

I play alot of Steam Soruce Games, GTA SA, GTa IV, Battlefield 2. I want to have a graphics card that can run almost all games on high quality with no problems. I have been looking at possibly a GTX 295 but, Would I actually need that power? Maybe a GTX 280, OR 285 or Dual GTX 260's? What do you guys reccomend for my rig and my game style and a good PSU to ugprade to. This has been itching me for 2 months now, I don't want to spend too much on a Graphics Card I don't need but I want to play my games flawlessly and unfortunately with this graphics card I ahve when I get a new custom built computer back in September I am not satisfied with it, It makes the graphics appear blocky from side to side, I cant even max out L4D, I upgraded the Processor earlier this year and its not having its full potential realized with a bleep graphics card.

Also would it be a good idea to upgrade my RAM?

Thanks guys.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:57 PM

if the graphics appear blocky with that card, I would think the problem is either a driver error or playing the games at the wrong resolution because a 3850 should be more then powerful enough to run most source games maxed out, especially counterstrike, without even breaking a sweat. and yes, I would recomend a memory upgrade. personally, If I were to upgrade that system, here is what I would do:

video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102801 $190

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139005 $94
This is one of those new single 12v rail setups, that are supposed to work really good. I dont normally recomend these because im old fashioned, but its the right price and it should do what you need as the 12v rail puts out like 52 amps.

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820220335 $57
I cannot speak enough good things about this memory, I use a set in my computer and in my dads, it works wonders. just make sure you remove your old memory or it will slow down the performance of this set.

what you would spend here total would be around $375 give or take after shipping, and if you notice all these parts have a rebate so in the end youd be spending even less then that.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:11 AM

That's a nice, solid setup you've got there. Your motherboard supports ATI's Crossfire and not SLI, so getting two GTX 260's isn't going to happen. If you want similar performance as a dual GTX 260, you can get the GTX 295. But if you want something you can Crossfire now or later on that is high end, the SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 would be a good choice since its two HD 4870's on one card. This card has some steep power requirements, if you want just one card you need at least 650W. If you want two, 1000W. In my opinion, the 4870 X2 card is a little overkill for most users. The SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB offers similar performance to the GTX 280, but you can later Crossfire this card. The 4850 X2 is two 4850's on one card. Next down the line, would be the SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB. It all depends on how much you're willing to pay since both are high performers.

As for power supplies, I suggest getting one that is 650W or higher. If you're wanting to Crossfire two HD 4870 X2, then you should get 1000W. Below are suggestions:
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
SILVERSTONE OP650 650W
OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
SILVERSTONE OP1000-E 1000W ATX


As for RAM, having more would certainly help. Know that having 4GB or more on your system with a 64-bit operating system, will limit you to 3 to 3.5GB.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:29 AM

if the graphics appear blocky with that card, I would think the problem is either a driver error or playing the games at the wrong resolution because a 3850 should be more then powerful enough to run most source games maxed out, especially counterstrike, without even breaking a sweat. and yes, I would recomend a memory upgrade. personally, If I were to upgrade that system, here is what I would do:

video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102801 $190

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139005 $94
This is one of those new single 12v rail setups, that are supposed to work really good. I dont normally recomend these because im old fashioned, but its the right price and it should do what you need as the 12v rail puts out like 52 amps.

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820220335 $57
I cannot speak enough good things about this memory, I use a set in my computer and in my dads, it works wonders. just make sure you remove your old memory or it will slow down the performance of this set.

what you would spend here total would be around $375 give or take after shipping, and if you notice all these parts have a rebate so in the end youd be spending even less then that.


Its always have blocky problems, i've honestly never been satisifed with it, After several formats I know for a fact its not the drives corrupt, Thats why I worry about ATI cards, I never had problems with GeForce

I'm at a real battle as to if I would actually need 4870X2, The price is pretty steep but I figure if I get it now, IT should do me good for at least until late 2010 early 2011 in terms of upgrading.

Thanks for both your inputs. I was curious what you think the ATI Radeon cards are in compairson to GeForce cards like

Ati Radeon 4870 X2- GTX 295
Ati Radeon 4870- GTX 280

Just for example.

Edited by BlueEyedFox, 01 April 2009 - 02:34 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:18 AM

Well since I don't want to go too far but I Still want the best I can possibly get I figure I'll go with

The GTX 285 Super Super Clocked Edition - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130447

but I'm debating on power supplies, I'm looking at these 2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA

Will my PC do alright with 650W or would it be a good idea to go for the 700W?

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:07 AM

It still might be driver incompatibility with the steam engine, not sure I dont play steam games. that is my one complaint with ATI is that their driver support kinda sucks, but I cant say for certain since I dont play steam games. does it give you blocks in other non-steam games or movies? It could also just be a defective card. hard to say. I personally am a ATI Die Hard fan, Im running a ATI saphire 3870 x2 in my system and loving it. In my opinion, this is my honest opinion between ATI and similar Nvidia cards, Nvidia offers slighty better frame rates then ATI, though ATI still usually handles a very playable framerate, but the ATI cards seem to have better overall picture quality then comparable Nvidia cards, usually for a lot less money. So for less money, you get better picture quality with a slightly poorer framerate, but not enough to really notice with the naked eye. Thats my own opinion between the two. I know a lot of people swear by Nvidia, and if it works for them thats great, I personally swear by ATI, Saphire cards primarily, Ive never gone wrong with one. as far as the PSU, if you go NVIDIA your 650 will do fine because you will not be able to add another card later on, like Pace said, thats a crossfire enabled board, you wont be able to SLI another card in, but if you go ATI you might want to invest in a 1000w PSU for future adding onto abilities. but even there, your talking maybe a 10 dollar difference for an extra 50 watts there, and that will help the PSU last longer, and their both quality PSUs, I think I would go with the OCZ one, even though I originally recomended the corsair. Simply cuz of the fact its only 10 more bucks, and the fact im old fashioned and I like the multiple 12v rails over the single 12v rail. That, and the corsair only has a 52 amp output, while the OCZ has like 72 amps so it will be able to handle more. Go OCZ for the PSU there in my opinion. :D

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:03 PM

Thanks for your input partiot.

So I'm down to ATi Radeon 4870 X2 and GeForce GTX 285 SSC, ITs hard to choose honestly, They both seem like great cards but Ati Raedon seems to offer more performance for a little extra cash. Hmm.

Would having 1 GB of Ram vs 2 GB of Ram really effect much?

Oh and its not just source games, IT bugs out on Rainbow Six vegas 2 aswell

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 09:54 PM

could be a bad card then, but are you talking 1 gig of video memory verses 2 gig of video memory, or computer memory. regular memory, most definetly. video memory probably depends on the game being played. keep in mind the NVIDIA cards only use GDDR3 memory while the 4870 x2 uses GDDR5. Now, in the older games, like counter strike and most of your steam games, no your not going to notice really any performance jump witha 2 gig card vs a 1 gig because the game isnt going to use it. Counterstrike will run on a 256 meg card for crying out loud. but in your newer, more modern games, like vegas or Crysis, definetly crysis, prolly not a huge difference with vegas, but still a difference, yes, 2 gigs of GDDR5 will make a huge difference over 1 gig of GDDR3 from what Ive seen. Memory size isnt everything in a video card, but it does help, especially when running huge, graphics demanding games like say Crysis.

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