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#1 gummipanda

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 12:17 AM

I've recently put together a new computer using these parts:

E8400 CPU @ 3.6 Ghz
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R with latest BIOS
2 x 2 GB Corsair TwinX4096-6400C5 DDR 2 800 mhz
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 in IDE mode?

I've updated to Vista Ultimate SP1, run multiple disk clean ups, defrags, use CCleaner, clean the registry, defrag the registry, disabled services and have made tweaks according to the guide provided on this website and have minimal startup programs running but my boot times average around 2 minutes. For a new computer with new hardware, this seems unreasonable as many users report boot times between 30-60 seconds.

Is this normal or is there something wrong with my computer? On the vista loading screen with the green bar, it goes through about 22 cycles.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:10 AM

Did you upgrade from XP, or did you do a fresh install of Vista?
Upgrade installs typically import all the startups from the previous installation.
I don't recommend an upgrade installation as (IMO) it'll import everything - problems included.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:21 AM

Did you upgrade from XP, or did you do a fresh install of Vista?
Upgrade installs typically import all the startups from the previous installation.
I don't recommend an upgrade installation as (IMO) it'll import everything - problems included.


It was a clean install on a brand new hard drive. No dual boot either.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 01:06 PM

i had this problem on my personal computer (hp desktop)

ended up my hard drive was going bad. ended up calling hp and then sent me a new hard drive and this fixed my problem

if you can do a short test and see what the result are. if not find out what kind of hard drive it and download the diagnostic boot disc and do the long test and see what it says (this test will take close to an hour depending on how big the hard drive is.)

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287

that site has all the major makers and what kind of boot discs they have. cant find that drive? use the hitachi drive tester, it will test non-hitachi kinds and let you know if it has any bad sectors but wont give specifics

hope this helps

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 05:32 PM

i had this problem on my personal computer (hp desktop)

ended up my hard drive was going bad. ended up calling hp and then sent me a new hard drive and this fixed my problem

if you can do a short test and see what the result are. if not find out what kind of hard drive it and download the diagnostic boot disc and do the long test and see what it says (this test will take close to an hour depending on how big the hard drive is.)

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287

that site has all the major makers and what kind of boot discs they have. cant find that drive? use the hitachi drive tester, it will test non-hitachi kinds and let you know if it has any bad sectors but wont give specifics

hope this helps


Thanks for replying.

I checked the website but they dont offer a 64 bit version of the software. Though, I did run the windows chkdsk /r /f cmd in command prompt. That took about an hour but didnt find any bad sectors.

I've checked event viewer and suspected an incompatibility due to vista x64 sp1 and my creative audigy 2 zs sound drivers but it hasnt reported anything.

Here's my boot log if it helps

Service Pack 1 3 28 2009 15:21:04.375
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\hal.dll
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\kdcom.dll
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\PSHED.dll
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\CLFS.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\CI.dll
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\Wdf01000.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WDFLDR.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\acpi.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WMILIB.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\msisadrv.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\pci.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\partmgr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\volmgr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\volmgrx.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\pciide.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\PCIIDEX.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mountmgr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\atapi.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ataport.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\jraid.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\SCSIPORT.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\fltmgr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\fileinfo.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\klbg.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\ksecdd.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ndis.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\msrpc.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\NETIO.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpip.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\fwpkclnt.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Ntfs.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\volsnap.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\spldr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\mup.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\ecache.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\fvevol.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\disk.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\CLASSPNP.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\crcdisk.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tunnel.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tunmp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\intelppm.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\atikmdag.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\HDAudBus.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbuhci.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\klfltdev.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbehci.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\cdrom.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\Rtlh64.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ctoss2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ctprxy2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ctaud2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ksthunk.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\msiscsi.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rasl2tp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndistapi.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndiswan.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\raspppoe.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\raspptp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rassstp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rdpdr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\termdd.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kbdclass.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mouclass.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\swenum.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mssmbios.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\umbus.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbhub.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\hap16v2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ha10kx2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\emupia2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ctsfm2k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ctac32k.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\COMMONFX.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\CTSBLFX.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\CTAUDFX.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\AtiHdmi.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\LUsbFilt.Sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\hidusb.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\LHidFilt.Sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mouhid.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\LMouFilt.Sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbccgp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kbdhid.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\klif.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Fs_Rec.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Null.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\vga.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\RDPCDD.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\rdpencdd.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Msfs.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Npfs.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rasacd.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tdx.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kl1.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\smb.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\afd.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\netbt.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\pacer.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\klim6.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\netbios.sys
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\serial.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\wanarp.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\nsiproxy.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\csc.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\dfsc.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\monitor.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\luafv.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\drmkaud.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\lltdio.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rspndr.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\HTTP.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\bowser.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mpsdrv.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb10.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb20.sys
Did not load driver \??\C:\Windows\System32\37813.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\adfs.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\peauth.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\secdrv.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srvnet.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpipreg.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv2.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\cdfs.sys

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:46 PM

IME running a quick test on a hard drive is only good if it indicates a failure. I've had plenty of hard drives pass the quick test only to fail the long test.

FWIW - I'd run the SeaTools hard drive diagnostics. Try the Windows version first (it shouldn't matter if it's 32 or 64 bit). If that doesn't work, then I'd suggest running the DOS version from a bootable CD. They're located here: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools

More to add:
This is strange:

Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS

Why load it once, then try to load it again?

Searches for serial.sys reveal a bunch of problem reports - but nothing that would seem to specifically point to this as a problem.

Searches for 37813.sys reveal nothing. This is a suspicious sign and is grounds for aggressive anti-malware scanning. http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/blogs/usas...?showentry=1252

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:45 PM

IME running a quick test on a hard drive is only good if it indicates a failure. I've had plenty of hard drives pass the quick test only to fail the long test.

FWIW - I'd run the SeaTools hard drive diagnostics. Try the Windows version first (it shouldn't matter if it's 32 or 64 bit). If that doesn't work, then I'd suggest running the DOS version from a bootable CD. They're located here: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools

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This is strange:

Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS

Why load it once, then try to load it again?

Searches for serial.sys reveal a bunch of problem reports - but nothing that would seem to specifically point to this as a problem.

Searches for 37813.sys reveal nothing. This is a suspicious sign and is grounds for aggressive anti-malware scanning. http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/blogs/usas...?showentry=1252


Hmm..I ran the long test on seatools and it passed with no indication of an error. I looked up the NDproxy.sys problem elsewhere and someone mentioned that disabling a second network driver in device manager fixed it. I don't have a second network driver however.

I'm not sure what the 37813 program is either but kaspersky isn't picking it up as a malicious file.

Out of ideas...at least it runs very well AFTER i boot. I just cant understand why it takes so long. I may just have to use sleep mode from now on.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:03 PM

Locate the file at C:\Windows\System32\37813.sys and submit it to http://virusscan.jotti.org for analysis.
Let us know what the report finds.

Also, here's a link to the Microsoft Performance Toolkit: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/performance/default.aspx
I've read about this but have never tried it - but I think it has the tools needed to trace the issues on your system.
Unfortunately, the download link isn't working for me, so I can't fool with it right now.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:13 PM

Locate the file at C:\Windows\System32\37813.sys and submit it to http://virusscan.jotti.org for analysis.
Let us know what the report finds.

Also, here's a link to the Microsoft Performance Toolkit: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/performance/default.aspx
I've read about this but have never tried it - but I think it has the tools needed to trace the issues on your system.
Unfortunately, the download link isn't working for me, so I can't fool with it right now.


Tried the online virus scan but the browse option wont let me select .sys files even if i type it in manually. I've enabled showing hidden files and folders in windows though and can see it in my system32 folder. :huh:

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:28 PM

Copy it to your desktop to see if that works.
Try renaming it to something else (37813.BAK) and then seeing if you can do it.

Sounds to me like it's fighting you. Try another, legitimate file to see if you can do anything from the System32 folder.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:43 AM

Copy it to your desktop to see if that works.
Try renaming it to something else (37813.BAK) and then seeing if you can do it.

Sounds to me like it's fighting you. Try another, legitimate file to see if you can do anything from the System32 folder.


Renamed the file as you've instructed. Online scanner detected nothing.

I'll run the performance advisor and see if anything comes up.

Edited by gummipanda, 29 March 2009 - 12:44 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2009 - 01:51 AM

I ran winboot info and this is the log I received:

Ive noticed some 30 second gaps between the loading of certain drivers. i.e. between kbdhid.sys (HID Keyboard filter driver) and crashdmp.sys (crash dump driver). Is crashdmp.sys what happens when the driver fails to load properly?

I'm concerned because winbootinfo.exe shows that the CPU spends most of its time idle during this long boot and puts more work on the hard drive. Is this normal behavior?

I've attached the .txt file bootlog generated by winbootinfo.exe.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 09:02 AM

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I hope this works. I couldn't post the contents because there was just too much. Sorry.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 01:44 PM

To summarize:

WinBootInfo Log File


Log Creation Time: March 28 2009, 23:31:36
Windows Boot Start Time: March 28 2009, 23:24:00
Windows Boot Duration: 105.9 sec

Number of CPUs (Cores) initialized: 2
Number of Processes Loaded: 55
Number of Executable Images Loaded: 2820
Number of Drivers Loaded: 119

Total I/O Data Read: 206.2 MB
Total I/O Data Written: 65.0 MB

Boot to Session Manager: 60 sec
Boot to Win32 Subsystem: 75 sec
Boot to Login Manager: 76 sec
Boot to User Init: 79 sec
Boot to Windows Explorer: 79 sec

CPU time spent in User Mode: 4.2 sec
CPU time spent in Kernel Mode: 8.2 sec
CPU time spent Idle: 94.5 sec

Total Interrupts: 384562
Total Context Switches: 213612


If found extended load times for these processes (from the bottom of the log to the top):
10 second loading Kaspersky
9 second loading regsvr32.exe
9 second loading runonce.exe
11 second loading OneClickStarter.exe
many delays loading explorer.exe
12 second delay loading svchost.exe (PID: 1480)
8 second delay loading svchost.exe (PID: 1152)
10 secdond delay loading svchost.exe (PID: 452)
11+ second delay loading svchost.exe (PID: 384)
10 second delay loading svchost.exe (PID: 332)
10 second delay loading services.exe
15 second delay loading smss.exe
12+ second delay loading NT Kernel & System


I'd suggest going through each of the delayed processes and finding the common denominator that loads in each/most of them. At a first impression I'm seeing a lot of Kaspersky stuff involved in most of the processes - so I'd suspect Kaspersky issues.
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