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#1 Steve_Irwin

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 08:34 PM

I decided to build my computer, so please tell me if this build works xD :

Rosewill R363-M-BK Micro Black Ultra High Gloss Finished ATX Computer Case with 400W ATX 2.2 12V Power Supply - Retail Ultra high gloss finished on entire case w/ 400W power supply

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2500:1 - Retail

ASRock A780GXE/128M AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 140W phenom w/ 128M sideport memory, AM3 CPU ready

SAPPHIRE 100255HDMI Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail Integrated with native HDMI port

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (X2)

AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM SATA Combo - OEM

Is there any products to modifiy this build to make it cheaper without making it's performance drop dramatically?(The price range is around 940 with shipping and tax. New Egg charges me tax because of my area, and tax itself is about 70 dollars. Would it be better if I just ebay the parts?) And will the case be able to fit everything in? Thank you for your help. :thumbsup:

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 10:06 PM

Ebay prices have gotten higher on new stuff then the egg & there is more risk involved.
I suggest reserving ebay for stuff you can no longer find new .

You didn't say what operating system you are going to run but be advised the "standard" 32 bit version of XP can't use more then about 3.25GB of memory.
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 10:56 PM

looks like a decent rig to me if your not planning on doing a lot of excessive gaming with it, and If your planning on having it on a lot or hard tasks Id throw out the power supply in the case and invest in a good OCZ, corsair, antec, or coolermaster PSU, prolly 500-600 watts. id also maybe go a different brand then liteon with the DVD drive, have had issues with those in the past. and definetly avoid ebay if you can, the egg is better for new parts or tiger direct some place with a proven track record and return policy. and you can swap teh G-Skill out with Patriot memory, patriots running some amazing deals on memory right now, the rebates are amazing. I use Patriot in all my builds and I love it, cheap, quality memory with high performance. :D

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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:13 AM

Your motherboard will not work with the case. This is because the board is ATX and the case takes only microATX, as Newegg specifies in the Specs. page. The board is simply too large. I stay stick with the original motherboard, but get a larger case as I said in a previous post you made. Do not use eBay to get the parts, they are usually not covered by warranty and the seller will not replace an item if it is DOA, in addition to the whole fraud issue there. At Newegg, Patriot's memory is more expensive by about $10-$15. G.Skill is good memory if you're on a budget. Optical drives are largely the same these days, if you choose a different one go with a drive that uses SATA.

If you want to get a case/power supply combo, here are some good ones.

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case With 500W Power Supply - This is a good choice especially with a $30 mail in rebate. $89
Linkworld 313-11(3131-11) Black / Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - $52
Broadway Com Corp 939PL-BLACK Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Okia ATX 550W Power Supply - $49

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 05:23 PM

lol true, I was looking at PC6400 memory in which case patriot is far cheaper, I didnt look closely enough to realize he wanted 1066 memory. yes G.Skill makes good budget memory, my best friend uses it runs good, though if one has the money I think patriot or corsair memory will perform better, they generally have tighter timings and the cooling is more efficient, especially with the patriot viper memory.

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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 05:37 PM

I agree, many RAM manufacturers do have better timings. However, if you're on a budget, timings may be a small issue. RAM is largely identical, but manufacturers have varying levels quality. To that end, there are several very good manufacturers. Such as, Corsair, Mushkin. Kingston, G.Skill, Crucial, Patriot (of course!), and OCZ. It is suggested you run a memory test overnight after you install the memory, just to make sure everything is good.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 09:51 PM

Thanks to all those that helped :thumbsup:
I remade the list (Is there a way to edit my original post? I can't seem to find the edit button)
RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case With 500W Power Supply - Retail

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2500:1 - Retail

ASRock A780GXE/128M AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 140W phenom w/ 128M sideport memory, AM3 CPU ready

EVGA 512-P3-N866-TR GeForce 9600 GT Superclocked Edition 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (X 2)

AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM SATA Combo - OEM

I bolded the items that I changed, I was also wondering if changing the Phenom II 2.8 ghz processor to a Phenom 9200 2.3 ghz will affect the performance by a lot? (Or rather if the extra 80 dollars is worth it xD) Here is the processor I was looking at AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

I also looked at some other builds, and a lot of them have heat sinks? Is that needed? And which one is a decent one for my build? Thanks again, really appreciate it. :huh:

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 02:33 AM

Changing out the Phenom II for a regular Phenom is not a good idea if you have the money for the II. The Phenom II runs cooler, is more efficient, and overclocks better than an older Phenom CPU. In a quad-core processor, you should get the highest clock speed over 2.5GHz. you can afford, the added performance is worth it. A heatsink comes with your processor and, from what I'm told, the ones coming with the Phenom II are good. You don't have to get an aftermarket CPU heatsink unless you are planning on doing some extreme overclocking. Be advised that the mail-in rebate on your case will expire on Monday, March 16. You may want to read the rebate information so you know the conditions.

Also, the RAM you chose is incompatible with your motherboard. Your motherboard does not take DDR2-800 memory, which you changed for some reason, but DDR2-1066 as was in your initial post. The
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (X2) you had originally will work.

Be aware that the graphics card you chose will not SLI with the motherboard. If you don't game a great deal that will not be much of an issue though. Otherwise, you should stick to the graphics card you had, the SAPPHIRE 100255HDMI Radeon HD 4670, if you want to use Crossfire (ATI's version of SLI). If you're wanting to upgrade your video card, you could try the SPARKLE SFPX98GT512D3 GeForce 9800 GT which costs a little less than the 9600 GT but has better performance. Once again, you will not get SLI with it. If you're wanting a card that's a little better than your initial 4670, the MSI R4830-T2D512 Radeon HD 4830 would be the next step up with ATI. The 4830 supports Crossfire.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 06:14 PM

Changing out the Phenom II for a regular Phenom is not a good idea if you have the money for the II. The Phenom II runs cooler, is more efficient, and overclocks better than an older Phenom CPU. In a quad-core processor, you should get the highest clock speed over 2.5GHz. you can afford, the added performance is worth it. A heatsink comes with your processor and, from what I'm told, the ones coming with the Phenom II are good. You don't have to get an aftermarket CPU heatsink unless you are planning on doing some extreme overclocking. Be advised that the mail-in rebate on your case will expire on Monday, March 16. You may want to read the rebate information so you know the conditions.

Also, the RAM you chose is incompatible with your motherboard. Your motherboard does not take DDR2-800 memory, which you changed for some reason, but DDR2-1066 as was in your initial post. The
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (X2) you had originally will work.

Be aware that the graphics card you chose will not SLI with the motherboard. If you don't game a great deal that will not be much of an issue though. Otherwise, you should stick to the graphics card you had, the SAPPHIRE 100255HDMI Radeon HD 4670, if you want to use Crossfire (ATI's version of SLI). If you're wanting to upgrade your video card, you could try the SPARKLE SFPX98GT512D3 GeForce 9800 GT which costs a little less than the 9600 GT but has better performance. Once again, you will not get SLI with it. If you're wanting a card that's a little better than your initial 4670, the MSI R4830-T2D512 Radeon HD 4830 would be the next step up with ATI. The 4830 supports Crossfire.


Well, I'm thinking to overclock it to 3.0 ghz? Would that be too little? I changed the ram, because it was nearly half the price, but I guess I'll have to change back :thumbsup:
I do not think I will be using SLI, so I'll keep the card. Ok, thanks again. :huh:

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 06:57 PM

If you're considering overclocking the CPU to 3GHz, you don't need to invest in an aftermarket fan. There is a Black Edition Phenom II with it's multiplier unlocked and already at 3GHz called the Phenom II 940. The unlocked multiplier makes the CPU easier to overclock. The 9800 GT I listed earlier is a little less expensive than the 9600 GT and has better performance.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 08:55 PM

If you're considering overclocking the CPU to 3GHz, you don't need to invest in an aftermarket fan. There is a Black Edition Phenom II with it's multiplier unlocked and already at 3GHz called the Phenom II 940. The unlocked multiplier makes the CPU easier to overclock. The 9800 GT I listed earlier is a little less expensive than the 9600 GT and has better performance.


What would the maximum overclock speed be before it blows up? :thumbsup:

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 09:39 PM

AMD was able to overclock the 940 to about 6GHz using a special cooler. Tom's Hardware was able to get it to 5Ghz with liquid nitrogen and to 3.6 GHz. using air cooling. Techspot was also able to get the processor to 3.6GHz.

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