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#1 GTK48

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 08:16 PM

Since this forum does not seem to have a site issues or suggestions section I am posting this here. I believe that the censorship that exits in The Speak Easy should stop immediately. We are all adults and we do not need approval of every topic my a Moderator. Unless BC is going to do this in all sections it should be stopped in the Speak Easy. If some users do not like what is being debated there they do not have to visit it. You can make it a Hidden section and permit access by password only. Anything would be better than it currently is.

I have never been in a forum that has a censored section and I belong to a great many of them.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 09:48 PM

Since this forum does not seem to have a site issues or suggestions section I am posting this here.

Bleeping Computer Announcements, Comments, & Suggestions Which also has a topic descriptor of "Leave any suggestions or comments about this site."

But to address your main topic, of censorship you may have missed this statement in the Forum Rules.

When posting you agree that the administrators and the moderators of this forum has the right to modify, delete, edit or close any topic, signature, account, or profile data at any time that they see fit. If you have any questions concerning this, please do not start a new thread, but rather private message to an administrator or moderator.

When a thread goes off track or loses focus. Or attacks on members take place the staff, will always take necessary action. The staff will determine what is deleted or edited. We are also quite aware that not everyone will agree on the action taken. This is forum is privately owned and not subject to 'Free Speech' laws. By registering here you, you have implied that you understood the forum rules and terms of use.

We do not just randomly choose what is edited or deleted. There are reasons it is done, however it is the staffs discretion when it is done. You are more than welcome to PM and ask for clarification.

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#3 GTK48

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 11:07 PM

Since this forum does not seem to have a site issues or suggestions section I am posting this here.

Bleeping Computer Announcements, Comments, & Suggestions Which also has a topic descriptor of "Leave any suggestions or comments about this site."

But to address your main topic, of censorship you may have missed this statement in the Forum Rules.

When posting you agree that the administrators and the moderators of this forum has the right to modify, delete, edit or close any topic, signature, account, or profile data at any time that they see fit. If you have any questions concerning this, please do not start a new thread, but rather private message to an administrator or moderator.

When a thread goes off track or loses focus. Or attacks on members take place the staff, will always take necessary action. The staff will determine what is deleted or edited. We are also quite aware that not everyone will agree on the action taken. This is forum is privately owned and not subject to 'Free Speech' laws. By registering here you, you have implied that you understood the forum rules and terms of use.

We do not just randomly choose what is edited or deleted. There are reasons it is done, however it is the staffs discretion when it is done. You are more than welcome to PM and ask for clarification.

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Where and what rule above states that all Topics posted in The Speak Easy have to be approved?

OIC it was moved to The Speak Easy.

Edited by GTK48, 06 March 2009 - 11:09 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 11:15 PM

The Speak Easy is a forum for discussing ethics, morals, laws, philosophy, and other controversial topics. Pretty much anything goes, but keep it civil. All new topics will be approved by the moderators before being seen in the forum. Be warned, topics in this forum will be controversial and not in line with your beliefs. If this is a problem, please do not use this particular subforum.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/75/general-topics/

A link to the rules would have sufficed, but always helpful to remind our users of the rules. There was really no need to quote animals response though, unless your presumption is that we are unable to remember what we just read? :thumbsup:

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 11:35 PM

The current System works well,IMO. Why fight the System, GTK48?
Admin and Moderators,I have found are very lenient,and do their job very professional.
New Topics being approved first,I think is a good idea,otherwise we would have Topics started,that would incite Racial hatred and the like,and end in choas and insults.















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Posted 07 March 2009 - 12:01 AM

The current System works well,IMO. Why fight the System, GTK48?
Admin and Moderators,I have found are very lenient,and do their job very professional.
New Topics being approved first,I think is a good idea,otherwise we would have Topics started,that would incite Racial hatred and the like,and end in choas and insults.


We are all supposed to be adults here. Anyone posting racial hatred would be banned. That is what moderators do. At the very least if a topic you posted was not approved and censored by a Mod, they should at least have the common decency to PM the user and give a valid reason why it was censored.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 12:30 AM

Your beef goes back weeks,GTK48. PM ADMIN, with the particulars,and I'm sure they will reply to you.
They haven't got time, to argue with you, as to why they didn't see your Topic, as ideal for Speak Easy.
You have to except their reason,as final.
Rephrase the Topic,and contents,and resubmit.More than one way to skin a Cat,as they say. :thumbsup:
Time to take a happy Pill. :flowers:















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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:12 AM

Your beef goes back weeks,GTK48. PM ADMIN, with the particulars,and I'm sure they will reply to you.
They haven't got time, to argue with you, as to why they didn't see your Topic, as ideal for Speak Easy.
You have to except their reason,as final.
Rephrase the Topic,and contents,and resubmit.More than one way to skin a Cat,as they say. :thumbsup:
Time to take a happy Pill. :flowers:


The only beef I have is with the insane rules. About the PM. Been there, done that. Oh and I invited a friend to post here. He joined and saw that you had to have a topic approved here and then he stopped coming here. The way to get things changed is to do what I am doing, to sit back and do nothing is ridiculous. That is unless you like being baby sat.

Edited by GTK48, 07 March 2009 - 08:53 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:28 AM

I have here at B/C for about 3 years and have no problems with the way it is run/controlled. IMHO this is a site to discuss various subjects in a civil manner and not argue. If the moderators and or administrators didn't keep a watch full eye this site would be a mess!!! There are some subjects that would do nothing but create arguing. We don't need that.

Edited by Layback Bear, 07 March 2009 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:01 AM

First, a question for Layback Bear -

are you posting on a Nudist Colony board as Layback Bare?

Just wondering.

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I disagree with most of what GTK48 is saying since no one is discouraged from posting anything that relates to the primary purpose of the board - essentially computer help.

The Speak Easy Forum states clearly that "All new topics will be approved by the moderators before being seen in the forum." The board Staff has enough to do monitoring the rest of the board without having to deal with the problems that often occur in topics that may become highly opinionated and sometimes antagonistic. There are other boards with Admins/Mods set up to do that.

I will agree though that if a topic is deemed inappropriate and not approved by the moderators a PM should continue to be (assuming it is) sent to the poster with an explanation and I would certainly appreciate it if it is being done. Whether I would agree or not is another matter, but at least I'd know what happened to my post.

This is one of the better run boards on the Net, especially considering the relatively high number of daily posts.

Also, personally, I think Bleeping Computer has a great looking t-shirt.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:37 AM

I have had various posts edited or deleted. If I don't know why, I pm the moderator for that topic. I have always received respectful answers. Sometimes you might do something quite innocently, like repeat yourself a lot because of poor memory and not saving your prior posts as reference, and it comes out like thread spamming or other undesirable behaviors. Some of us here (like me), do tend to obsess about certain social, cultural, ethical or political topics. But the responses from the moderators help you to learn what is appropriate behavior. Even adults have to learn how to play nice in groups.

BC staff has to concern itself with how the public at large, and the community at BC, perceive it as a whole. Since it is a privately owned concern, consider it to be like a hard copy magazine or newspaper: sometimes controversial text will be printed, but the owners/editors always have a right to decide what is included in the final product. This is not completely free speech, as one would have on a street corner in the U.S. or in Hyde Park in London. It is commercially-filtered free speech. Therefore subject to editing.

There was a very hotly contested topic that you were part of. One of the subjects discussed was ethical behavior in posting and where BC members as a group could discuss it. I believe JGWeed referred us to Thoughtvent, BC's sister forum, which is devoted to non-computer topics.

I have suggested that the mods have access to a text sheet with canned responses that they could cut, paste and send when a message is deleted. Some would simply state: "This was thread spamming." Some would say things like: "Is this what you really meant to say? Your statement is X, Y or Z as it is currently phrased." In other words, time effective means to educate posters.

Of course, some people know when they are breaking the rules and are simply testing the limits of BC and trying the mods' patience. Some people, for various reasons, do not know.

I do not know what topic(s) of yours were not allowed. I am speaking in very general terms. But I have noticed that sometimes apparently innocent statements can invite paranoid or hate-filled rants from occasional posters. This could be another concern of the staff.

If you are concerned that a topic might not be posted, maybe you could pm a mod and ask for suggestions before initiating the topic. That way you could phrase it and name it in an acceptable way. Folks in the work place have to endure this sort of thing all the time. It is not really a hardship when posting here at BC is a privilege that could easily be revoked. I try to be mindful of this.

Edited by fuzzywuzzy6, 07 March 2009 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:42 AM

To the question from JohnWho no.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 11:14 AM

No, I read the rules and I knew that a post had to be approved.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...t&p=1104882

If this was already known then why is it being contested now? There are rules and policy in place for a reason, everyone agrees to these when they register here at Bleeping Computer. If you don't like them then why agree to them?

It happens all to often in today's society that people will agree to/sign things and then disagree with them at a later date/time.

Read first, if you don't agree then don't accept!

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 12:09 PM

No, I read the rules and I knew that a post had to be approved.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...t&p=1104882

If this was already known then why is it being contested now? There are rules and policy in place for a reason, everyone agrees to these when they register here at Bleeping Computer. If you don't like them then why agree to them?

It happens all to often in today's society that people will agree to/sign things and then disagree with them at a later date/time.

Read first, if you don't agree then don't accept!

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Because I do not agree with the rules. We are not children that need to be watched. We are adults trying to debate in a forum. If the topic has to be approved by a Moderator then that is a form of censorship. What if a member posts something that the moderator due to his own political beliefs feels is not appropriate as it may be conservative in nature? Yes this is a privately owned board and the owners can do what they want and so can the members. As I stated this is the only forum where moderator approval is required that I have ever belonged to. I have and do belong to well over 35 forums.

I also have stated that a PM should be sent to the member if his/her topic was denied. A valid reason should also be given.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 12:20 PM

No, I read the rules and I knew that a post had to be approved.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...t&p=1104882

If this was already known then why is it being contested now? There are rules and policy in place for a reason, everyone agrees to these when they register here at Bleeping Computer. If you don't like them then why agree to them?

It happens all to often in today's society that people will agree to/sign things and then disagree with them at a later date/time.

Read first, if you don't agree then don't accept!

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OK E-mu show me where it states in the rules below that Topics have to be approved. These are the rules I read when I joined.

(removed by staff. Clearly we do not need to read the rules yet again.)

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