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installing XP Pro on ultraportable--complications!


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#1 amarrao

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:03 PM

My hp pavilion zu1175 laptop lacks an internal optical drive. Its old hard drive went bad, so I got a new one. When i tried to install xp pro on it using the hp recovery cds, the pcmcia external cd-rom was not recogized (It must not be bootable.) I do have a usb floppy drive that is bootable, so are there external cd-rom drives that I can get that are also bootable? Would any usb cd-rom drive work?

According to the readme file on the recovery cds, my other option is to create a boot floppy disk using a program on the recovery cds, copy the necessary drivers from the pcmcia external cd-rom drive's driver cd onto the boot floppy disk, and edit the "autoexec.bat" and config.sys" files. This sounds like something for an expert to do. Where do I start?

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 06:14 PM

Reference Guide 143
To create a Support Utility disk
If you want to use the Recovery CD in a PC Card CD-ROM drive or parallel port
CD-ROM drive, you’ll need a Support Utility disk to recover the factory software.
1. Insert a formatted floppy disk in the floppy drive.
2. Run makesupp.bat from the \hp\Bootdisk directory on the Recovery CD.
3. Copy the MS-DOS device drivers from the installation software provided with the
CD-ROM drive to the Support Utility disk into the A:\Tools directory.
Troubleshooting and Maintenance
Reinstalling and Updating Software
4. In the CONFIG.SYS file on the Support Utility disk, enable or disable the appropriate
drivers for your CD-ROM drive:
• For a PC Card drive: REM the line containing the HP driver (OAKCDROM),
and insert the command to run the point enabler for the card.
• For a parallel drive: REM the line containing the HP driver (OAKCDROM).
5. Add the device=driver statements to the CONFIG.SYS file on the Support Utility
disk. Insert the device statements immediately following the USERCD remark.


I found that in the manual for the 1100 Series Laptops. Is this what you are referring to?

If you can let us know what is on the "MS-DOS device drivers from the installation software provided with the CD-ROM drive" (the file names) and what is "the point enabler for the card." we can probably help you. The "point enabler" is likely in your current config.sys if you can provide a copy of that.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 05:33 PM

Here are the files on the CD-ROM driver disk:

DOCS (folder)
files in DOCS:
FORMAT95.DOC
FORMAT95.TXT

WINNT (folder)
files in WINNT:
ATDISK.SYS
DISK1 (no extension)
IRQDBG.EXE
OEMSETUP.INF
PC_CARD.SYS
PCMATAPI.SYS
RESCAN.SYS
TXTSETUP.OEM

files not in folders:
ATDISK.SYS
AUTOEXEC.INS
BANNER_E.EXE
BANNER_S.EXE
CDISK.EXE
CDISK.SYS
CS_OK.EXE
DISK1 (no extension)
DOS_VER.EXE
INSTALL.BAT
IRQDBG.EXE
OEMSETUP.INF
PATAPICD.SYS
PATAPISF.SYS
PC_CARD.SYS
PCCARD.SYS
PCMATAPI.SYS
PCMCD.INS
PCMSF.INS
READ.ME
RESCAN.SYS
SEL.EXE
TXTSETUP.OEM



Here is the Support Utility Disk's Config.sys:

REM
REM Config.sys for Support Utility disk
REM

shell=a:\command.com /p /e:1280 a:\
dos=high,umb
files=60
buffers=40
lastdrive=Z
stacks=9,256
fcbs=4,0
switches=/F /N

SET XMSHAND=XXXX

device=a:\dos\himem.sys /machine:2 /testmem:off
device=a:\dos\setver.exe

SET CD_LETTER=X:
REM IDE CD-ROM driver
DEVICEHIGH=A:\TOOLS\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

REM *************************************************************************
REM Copy the necessary device driver(s) for your specific CDROM drive to
REM this floppy, and add the required device= statement(s) below.
REM
REM - Contact your PC CARD or Parallel Port CDROM manufacturer if you need
REM assistance in modifying this disk.
REM
REM TIP: In some cases, you may be required to adjust the MSCDEX.EXE
REM statement in AUTOEXEC.BAT.
REM
REM *************************************************************************

REM USERCD
REM Insert your User defined CDROM device driver(s) here.
REM DEVICE=

REM ****************************************************************
REM MSCDEX.EXE requires that the the corresponding User Defined
REM CDROM driver(s) be loaded in CONFIG.SYS.
REM
REM CAUTION: You MUST leave the CDROM drive assigned as drive G:
REM for the recovery process to work.
REM
REM Modification of the MSCDEX statement may not be required.
REM
REM ****************************************************************
installhigh=a:\dos\mscdex.exe /d:MSCD001 /l:X

Edited by amarrao, 08 June 2005 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2005 - 06:18 PM

What is the make and model of the external drive? What is the make and model of the pcmcia card?

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 06:56 PM

The CD-ROM Drive is an LG CRN-8240E. The PCMCIA Card has a label that says "16-bit PCMCIA to ATA/ATAPI Adapter."

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 07:06 PM

What about the possibility of transfering the cd you have to floppies?

When I installed Win 98 on my first computer it came in a series of floppies, not a cd.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 07:14 PM

Would it interfere with the recovery program if its software was divided up from 2 CDs onto a series of floppies?

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 09:08 PM

Microsoft did it for you:

Windows XP Professional Utility: Setup Disks for Floppy Boot Install

The Windows XP startup disk allows computers without a bootable CD-ROM to perform a new installation of the operating system. The Windows XP startup disk will automatically load the correct drivers to gain access to the CD-ROM drive and start a new installation of Setup.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=en

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 01:50 AM

Those similarly require modification of their autoexec.bat and config.sys in order to load the cd-rom drive's drivers. I am using the HP Recovery CDs because they contain software and drivers unique to the laptop model.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 08:13 AM

The problem here is to load the pcmcia driver (point enabler) and then the CD driver as this is an external drive. So we need to enable the card first and then the drive.

The first thing to do is copy the following files from the CD Drivers CD to A:\Tools:

PATAPICD.SYS
CDISK.SYS

Can you copy the entire CD Driver disk into A:\tools? Not sure if you have enough room. If you can then do so. If not, let me know. The problem right now is figuring out which of the files on the CD Driver disk is the dos driver. According to the manual for the CD drive MSCDEX.EXE is all you need, but I don't see that. The instructions say to REM out the oakrom driver but that needs to be replaced with something else.


Take the attached config.sys file and replace it in the Support Utility Disk with this one. Save the original somewhere and try booting with the Support disk. I'm not real confident its going to work but it won't hurt anything to try and if you get an error message it might help. In this one I'm guessing that CDISK.SYS is the CD driver.

Please attach the Autoexec.bat from your Support Utility Disk to your reply.

Edited by Leurgy, 09 June 2005 - 08:14 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 02:25 AM

The Support Utility Disk's "Tools" folder did not fit all of the files from the CD-ROM Driver Disk.

I noticed a "MSCDEX.EXE" in the "dos" folder on the Support Utility Disk.

Autoexec.bat:

@echo off
REM
REM
REM AUTOEXEC.BAT for Support Utility Disk
REM
REM

path a:\;a:\dos;a:\tools;a:\scripts
set scripts=a:\scripts

a:\dos\edt_xms A 3000000
drvload a:\dos\RAMDRIVE.SYS 28000 512 512 /E
a:\dos\edt_xms D

a:\dos\drvinfo /S:RAM1 /D:SRDISK1

mkdir %SRDISK1%\tmp > NUL
SET TMP=%SRDISK1%\tmp
SET FRONTEND=X:\tools\cr8hib.bat
set path=%PATH%;%SRDISK1%


copy a:\command.com %SRDISK1%\ > NUL
set comspec=%SRDISK1%\command.com

main.bat

Here are the messages that showed up on my screen when I booted up with the modified disk:

Error: unable to detect ATAPI CD-ROM Drive

There is an unrecognized command in your CONFIG.SYS file.
There is an error in your CONFIG.SYS file on line 25
"" line 36
"" line 43
"" line 53

Commuter Disk Drive is not present.
Commuter Disk Driver is not installed.

Device driver not found: 'MSCD001'.

No valid CD-ROM device drivers selected

DRVLOAD Version 1.0
Copyright Rick Knoblaugh
...

Microsoft RAMdrive version 3.06 virtual disk D:
Disk Size: 28,000k
...
Driver successfully installed.

A:/>

Edited by amarrao, 10 June 2005 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2005 - 07:40 AM

The Support Utility Disk's "Tools" folder did not fit all of the files from the CD-ROM Driver Disk.


I didn't think it would. Did you put PATAPICD.SYS and CDISK.SYS in A:\Tools?

Put ATDISK.SYS in A:\Tools. We'll try that for the CD driver. Use this attached config.sys as the new one for the SUD (Support Utility Disk). Try it and see what errors we get.

I need to see the contents of main.bat from the SUD.

Replace the autoexec.bat on the SUD with the following. Copy and paste the text into notepad, save as autoexec.bat onto the SUD.


@echo off
REM
REM
REM AUTOEXEC.BAT for Support Utility Disk
REM
REM

path a:\;a:\dos;a:\tools;a:\scripts
set scripts=a:\scripts

a:\dos\edt_xms A 3000000
drvload a:\dos\RAMDRIVE.SYS 28000 512 512 /E
a:\dos\edt_xms D

a:\dos\drvinfo /S:RAM1 /D:SRDISK1

mkdir %SRDISK1%\tmp > NUL
SET TMP=%SRDISK1%\tmp
SET FRONTEND=X:\tools\cr8hib.bat
set path=%PATH%;%SRDISK1%


copy a:\command.com %SRDISK1%\ > NUL
set comspec=%SRDISK1%\command.com

A:\Dos\mscdex.exe

main.bat

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 09:40 PM

I put PATAPICD.SYS and CDISK.SYS in the A:/Tools folder. The folder was able to take a handful of additional files before the disk became full.

main.bat

@echo off

cd_rdy %CD_LETTER%
if errorlevel 1 goto END

if not exist %CD_LETTER%\RECOVER\version.inf goto END

REM set path=%path%;x:\tools
copy %CD_LETTER%\TOOLS\*.com %SRDISK1%>NUL
copy %CD_LETTER%\TOOLS\*.exe %SRDISK1%>NUL
%CD_LETTER%\TOOLS\MAIN.BAT

:END

Here are the messages I get when I boot up with the modified disk:

ATAPI CD-ROM Driver version 4.01
Copyright 1996 DataStor Technology

Initializing...

ERROR: Unable to detect ATAPI CD-ROM drive

Driver not loaded!

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Posted 11 June 2005 - 06:07 AM

I put PATAPICD.SYS and CDISK.SYS in the A:/Tools folder


Put ATDISK.SYS in A:\Tools


Did you do that? CDISK.SYS does not need to be there as it seems its a disk caching tool.

We have managed to eliminate some of the errors and would seem to be getting closer. PATAPICD.SYS is the "point enabler" and seems to be working. Thats why I ask about ATDISK.SYS. I'm hoping that is the driver for the CD drive.

Can you run makesupp.bat and make a new SUD and add PATAPICD.SYS, ATDISK.SYS and DISK1 (no extension) to the A:\Tools folder and add the modified config.sys and autoexec.bat files also? Make sure you remove the current config.sys and autoexec.bat. Get rid of the current SUD by formatting and making a new one to avoid confusion. Run that and lets see what happens.

Edited by Leurgy, 11 June 2005 - 06:24 AM.

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 03:21 AM

Error messages:

ATAPI CD-ROM Driver version 4.01
Copyright 1996 DataStor Technology

Initializing...

ERROR: Unable to detect ATAPI CD-ROM drive

Driver not loaded!

I did not get a command prompt this time for some reason.




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