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#1 andru

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:05 AM

Hey guys
In need of a new computer just wanting some help in choosing what to get.
I want to spend around $500 and only more if its really worth it. i can keep the same Case, DVD drive, Floppy Drive and hopefully my XP Home enless i want 64bit.
I wan't to stay around this website: http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=4 enless i can get a cheaper deal somewhere else online all in $AU$. these are the parts i'm looking at:

Processor
AMD Athlon? 64 5000+AM2 Processor Retail Dual Core AM2 $90
DO i Need a cooler for this?

Moboard: Don't hav a clue
Maby Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H AMD780G 5200HT DDR2 VGA PCIE2.0 RAID GbLAN $130

Power:
Power Supply 825W 12V 2X8CM Fans $81
Power Supply 550W with 12cm Fan with SATA $41

Hard Drive:
Western Digital 640G 7200RMP $99
Samsung 640G 7200RPM SATAII $90
Western Digital 640G SATAII HDD Green Power $109

Ram:
DDR2 2048MB(2G Single stick)PC6400 800Mhz $28 x2 =$56

GFX Card:
Don't have a clue $70-$120

Altogetehr $446 Pick up on all items

Is this the best i can do for Price/Performance? If you have better idea's please feel free to let me know
Thanks guys

Edited by andru, 11 January 2009 - 02:47 AM.


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#2 DJBPace07

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:41 AM

You didn't indicate what this PC will be used for, so it will be difficult to give part suggestions.

Processor: You don't need an aftermarket unless you are planning to overclock. I do suggest, if you decide to go with AMD, going for an AM2+ Black Edition processor if you can. They are unlocked and often faster.

Motherboard: The motherboard you chose is a micro-ATA board, this means that it is designed to fit small cases. This does have a drawbacks in that not all cases support that type of board and heat build-up can become an issue. Most of the motherboards at the site you indicated are mostly of this type, however, the Asus M3A78-PRO AM2+ AMD780G HT5200 DDR2 PCIE2.0 RAID GbLAN is a standard ATX board, although more expensive. The Asus is a good board, plus, you can use AM3 processors in it once they are released.

Power Supply: Since you didn't indicate which brands you were looking at, I can't help you choose one. Given the prices listed, when compared to the amount of power they output, would seem to indicate they aren't very good. Also, there aren't a large number of choices. I would suggest either the Corsair VX-450 ATX 450W Power Supply or the Corsair VX-550 ATX Power Supply depending on which graphics card you choose.

Hard Drive: All look good, just make sure they are SATA and have enough space.

RAM: You should go for PC-8500 memory if you go with the Asus board. If you go with the Asus motherboard, the G.Skill DDR2 4G (2G x 2) PC2-8500 1066 offers you the best value vs. performance but the Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB would be more economical. The Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2G Kit(2x1024M) PC8500 1066MHz DDR2 CL5 would also be a good alternate along with the Kingston DDR2 2048MB(2x1G)PC8500 1066Mhz HyperX memory.

Graphics: The Asus board has a graphics card built in, the Radeon HD 3200. If you want a dedicated card, the Gigabyte ATI HD4670 PCI-E2.0 512MB GDDR3 is a good choice. You should get at least a 500W power supply with that card. The Asus GF9500 512M OC DDR3 PCIE2.0 DVI-I HDCP HDMI is also a good card and it uses less power, but it is less powerful than the HD4670. I would get the ATI card since it would last the longest before it became obsolete.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:31 AM

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 05:33 AM

hmm i was hoping for cheaper but your right the power supplys are brandless and will not be a good idea. I really want to stick to the cheaper components enless it is going to make a big diffrence.
Also i have Logitech Z4's should i get a audio card?

ow and i am wanting to play counter strike source Combat arms for now but maby i might want to get into the newer games later such as GTA4 and COD4 so thats why if its worth it i will spend the extra cash Also i will have to get a headset and new mouse but i'll think about that later.

I have herd from some other people and made some new choices please tell me what you think is best or if you have some suggestions on diffrent parts please advise!
Thanks heeps!

Also i have found another site that i can pick up from theres alot more there aswell please have a look
http://www.gamedude.com.au/

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Processor
AMD Athlon™64 X2 4850e AM2 45w Energy Efficient CPU $106

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 AM2 Black Edition $135

I here the 7750 AM2 Black Edition is the way to go will it make a big diffrence?
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Moboard:

!!Asus M3A78-PRO AM2+ AMD780G HT5200 DDR2 PCIE2.0 RAID GbLAN!! $158

!!Asus M3N78-EM AM2+ GF8300 5200MT 4DDR2 PCIE2.0 RAID 1394ax2 GbLAN $125!!

is it worth the extra $24 for the M3a78

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Power:
I know the cheaper the more unreliable but will any of these be ok and if yes which one is best?

Antec NeoPower 500W ATX Ver2.2 Modular Power Supply $106

CoolerMaster 500W Extreme (ATX) $80

Gigabyte Superb Power Supply 550W 120mm Fan $76

Huntkey Vista-Power 550W PSU 14CM 4XSATA,PCI-E $86

!!!if not i'll go with

Antec ATX TruePower 550W TRio $119 or

Corsair VX-550 ATX Power Supply 120mm fan PCI-E Graphics

Card Connector 6 SATA Connectors Universal $129!!!

Hard Drive:

Samsung 640G 7200RPM SATAII $90

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Ram:

Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB $76

!!Kingston DDR2 4(2x2G)PC6400 800Mhz â€â€ś KVR800D2N6K2/4G $59!!

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Looking at around $580 over budget but will go with if its worth it

Edited by andru, 11 January 2009 - 07:30 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 07:42 PM

The audio is included with the motherboard, so a sound card is not necessary. Unless you have a 7.1 surround sound setup or very high-end speakers and headphones, purchasing a card is largely a waste. The best sound cards will blow away your budget. If you choose to get a sound card later, the Xonar line of cards gets high ratings.

Processor: The Athlon 64 X2 7750 is an excellent CPU, highly recommended. A good alternate is the Athlon 64 X2 6000 with its slightly higher clock speed, though the Black Edition processors can be easily OC'd to the 6000's speed. The 4850e is meant for energy efficiency, but it is not a Black Edition.

Motherboard: The M3N78-EM is a micro-ATX board, the M3A78-PRO is a full ATX board. The M3A78-PRO is more fully featured, runs cooler, and will fit most cases.

Power Suppy: I've never had a good experience with Antec. I would go for the Corsair VX-550, its a very nice modular PSU. I have one.

RAM: You should not run PC-6400 memory with that motherboard, only PC-8500 (Also known as, DDR2-1066) should be used. I suggest getting 4GB of RAM if you can afford it. You can install 2GB now, later, when you have the money, you can purchase an additional 2GB.

Hard Drive: Looks good.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 04:11 AM

Cheers OK sounds good. I thought a bit more about it last night and was thinking i should just go all out while i can so i'll add another $500 to the system which should be good. now that will include +++

$99 vista (Only so i can use extra ram otherwise wouldn't bother)
$100 case (i do have a case, cooling will be bad in it but don't know if i really need a new one)
$60 mouse (Don't know what to choose)
$100 gaming headset (Don't know)

and i'll stick with my crappy keyboard

so i guess that leaves $150 for the GFX Card. DO you think i should Spend more on the motherboard and processor
say AMD Phenom 9550 Quad Core AM2+ 2200MHZ 4MB L2+L3 95W $200 and Asus M3A78-T AM2+ 790GX HT5200 DDR2 PCIE2.0 RAID $240 (just examples prob better boards/processors for better price out there) are they going to make much of a diffrence and be worth it? (From what i'v been reading i think the 7750 is better for me) Also someone told me i should get a mother board with raid?? Anyway tell us what you think!

Cheers

Edited by andru, 12 January 2009 - 06:44 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2009 - 08:15 PM

Dual core processors should be fine unless you are running many high-end games that make use of the additional cores. The 7750 offers speed and some multi-core functionality, a good balance. There are few applications that use more than two cores. RAID can cause performance issues, unless you need the redundancy (which most home users don't, standard backups are usually enough) avoid using RAID. You can still get a motherboard with RAID, just don't turn it on. As for the graphics card, I stand by my suggestion of the ATI HD 4670. You should get that card and the Corsair power supply I suggested.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:22 AM

Cheers mate you'v been a big help
I am thinking of just running linux 64 bit instead of paying 100 bukz for Vista. Will that be ok. I here the only problems are some programs don't work with linux, also I think i'll go with the ATI 4670 but which one should i choose from http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=4
I can get the $170 but only if its worth it. Also I here the 9600 can be better what do you think?.
Theres a PALIT 9600 SMART 1GB 256Bit DDR2 Dual Link DVI TV-Out for $150 on gamedude.com.au

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 05:07 AM

Also i Need to choose a cheap case hopefully with a window and also i need a head set (mic) any ideas?
I only wanted to spend $100 but the Silver CS A+380 Twin Engine for $170 (including p&H) looks well worth the extra $70 what do ya rekon?
(http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ATX-COMPUTER-PC-SUPER-TOWER-CASE-FAN-Silver-a1171-sil_W0QQitemZ220341953438QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Components?hash=item220341953438&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
Just found out its a Midi Tower but that'l be ok if it fits all my parts right? the only thing i will prob eventully upgrade is the ram
found this also ANTEC (USA) P160 Midi-Tower $99 don't think the fans are good tho. You can get a Xsonix 550watt PSU for an extra $1 it will be a crap power supply but hey if it breaks i can always buy the Corsair later

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 04:28 PM

Do you know Linux? If you're comfortable with using a command line interface (think DOS) and having issues with games running in WINE, go for it. I tried Ubuntu for a year and my experience with it was far from enjoyable. When it worked normally everything was fine, I could handle the inability to use WMA Lossless or the USB ports on the front of my PC case, and Flash support in Konqueror was a pain, but when I wanted to update drivers and run Windows software in it, everything fell apart to the point of needing to reinstall several times. Unless you know what you're doing, you may not enjoy it. Thankfully, I had a Vista and Linux dual-boot system so I could simply remove the partition and fix the MBR to get Windows back. The HD 4670 has 320 stream processors compared to the 9600's 32, it also has higher clock speeds. The HD 4670 is a better card in terms of performance, but it is not as energy efficient as the 9600. As for the case, you may want ask the seller to see if it is a full-ATX tower case, if it is, you're good to go. There is a duplicate case on Newegg.com (Which doesn't ship to Australia) that is black which is full-ATX. The power supply is the beating heart of your PC so it is usually a good idea to get a good one. A low quality unit delivers dirty power to sensitive components and will wear out faster. If the unit is poorly made, it will break and possibly fry the rest of the PC in the process. I say go with the Corsair and save yourself the trouble.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 09:57 PM

OK cheers yer ill get a mid case that fits a full board and i'll try linux and put it on a seprate partion so incase it screws up can still keep all my stuff if i need to format.
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