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#1 HSW1212

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:05 PM

Hey. Firstly, thanks very much in advance for at least reading this post. :thumbsup:

I bought my 9600GT a few days ago and to install it i had to replace my PSU from something like a 225W to a 405W. I did this without any hassle and then installed my new graphics card, going from an 8400GS 256MB to a 9600GT 512MB. Now, it all sounds well and good but this card cost me around 95 from PC world.

My problem is that there was an 8800GSO from around the same price but the staff seemed adamant that this (9600GT) was better. I thought well i think maybe it will because running Vista 32bit and the 9 series is omptimized for Vista, right? Anyway so after playing some games like Team Fortress 2, Left4Dead and the Crysis Wars trial, i noticed that this card really didnt perform that well, and when I upped the graphics settings on game like, say TF2, id be getting around 20 FPS at some times. I mean, ok so yeah i have drastically changed the graphics settings but i'd expect more when i could very probably buy an 8800GT for the same price. The worst part is that now obviously i cant change my mind...

My main problem is that I have a friend who has an 8600GT, and it seems to perform at about the same as my card, and when i had the latest Nvidia release drivers, on the saem graphics settings, his was better. To be honest this really annoyed me as i had just forked out a fair on a new card. I have another friend who bought something like a "powercolour ATI 4830" for slghtly cheaper than me, and from what I have read, its a MUCH better card. What are your opinions on my 9600GT? Is it the fact that its is from the company "PNY" that makes it so terrible? All opinions are welcome, I just need to know what to do :flowers:. As at the moment, it seems like money well wasted. Or perhaps I'm expecting too much?

I have tried using RivaTuner and Ntune but on games i really can't notice any difference in terms of FPS. Infact, when i run most of my games after overclocking, they tend to crash after a very short period of time, say around 5 minutes. I have even checked the temperature of the card and acording to "GPU-Z" it is usually at around 50C which, from what I understand, is a completely safe temperature for a graphics card to run at? When i run crysis it is still only at around 55C. The only thing i can think of is that my new 405W power supply cannot allow my new card to overclock properly as a 400W minimum is needed to use the card (according to the label on the front packaging).

About as much as I can tell you about my specs:
Intel Core 2 duo E4500 @ 2.2Ghz Per Core
2GB DDR2 RAM
Vista 32Bit

Could these be bottlenecking it?

Thanks guys.

Edited by HSW1212, 22 December 2008 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:38 PM

I have the 8800GS and i play TF2 all the time in 1600X1200 and i get an average of like 100 FPs but it some times drops to 60 thats will all that AA stuff off. You should notice a difference when overclocking i overclocked mine from 550/800 to 680/2000 and then played Day of defeat source. On average with stock clocks it would be 100-150 and then after the overclock i was seening 200fps or more in servers.

If your comp is crashing in games then its not stable

Follow the instructions i left for this guy at the bottom of the page if your not already doing this. This is the correct way to overclock.

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Its not your PS and Your not seeing how high your temps go up on load cuz 50c is a normal temp. When at load mine is around 70c while OCed. Usually 80c or so is max so if it goes over that it will crash or freeze.

Also what Resolution are you running?

Is your friend who has the 8800GT running XP?

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:43 PM

Its a Native LCD TV resolution i think. Quite unusual though, its 1360 x 768. My friend has a 8600GT and yeah he does have XP. The two friends I mention both have XP.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:45 PM

What Size?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:47 PM

It's a 32" Samsung series 4 i think.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:53 PM

That is why your FPS are low. I would say that a 9600GT would only be good with FPS up to 22". My 8800gs is close to same card as yours just a little bit slower but that is why my FPS are high. That card is not powerful enough for that big of screen in my opinion.

Other people might be able to tell you better but you should probably look at a GTX260 or a GTX280 or higher maybe.

Also i have read in many forums that FPS will usually be lower on Visa compared to XP on same exact comp but you cant compare FPS if the comp, the Screen sizes and resolution arent exactly the same or close to the same as the other computer its being compared to because those things will make them differ.

Just saying your comparing it to your friends but he might have a different processor or screen size or operating system...... can cause the fps to be dipperent then yours

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:57 PM

Hmm. Ok. At least i know what's making it so bad at times. Think ill just tone down my graphics and all that.

As for overclocking, any tips on what to do or the best way to go about it with my card. Because you see when i go and do that with Rivatuner, my games crash, at least im pretty sure thats the trend anyway. All i did was raise the clock speeds on the memory and whatever else it is by around 100mhz. The thing is, will the fact that my PSU is only the "minimum" wattage (according to the label on the box) stop me from overclocking it at all?

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:04 PM

Whats your power supplys Make and model?

Follow my instructions on here. When you going to overclock have at least a good hour or so of spare time so you dont rush it. If you already have rivatuner then just ATI tool

Download these two programs

RivaTuner

ATI Tool

And follow these instructions on using rivatuner. The instructions go over everything the program can do but for a beginer it will probably be overwhelming. Just set your fan to 100% and then skip down to the bottom of the page called "overclocking profiles" follow the instructions for the overclocking. All the other stuff dont worry about for now. If you have ???? then ask.

RivaTuner Instructions

Overclock with rivatuner and select apply or ok so the overclocks stay then open ATI tool and click scan for artifacts. Its usually good to do one at a time.

First overclock the core and see how high you can get. You will know its stable when ATI tool's artifact scan runs for 20+ minutes with out any problems.

If you overclock the core too far the computer will freeze so you will just have to hit the reset button and start over. When you overclock the memory And Shader too far you will get artifacts.

When this happens start down clocking so this doesnt happen.

After you find the highest core and the highest memory then set the core and memory to those clocks (so that both are overclocked) and run ATI tool again. Make sure it goes the full time with both overclocks set without any problems. No problems then clocks are stable and time to play games.

By the way dont use Ntune to overclock rivatuner is better because you can overclock 1mhz at a time that way you can adjust it in perfect.

ON your card you will have to overclock 3 things, The Core "processor", the shader, and the memory. It will take some time when doing it right so have some time set aside to do it.

Edited by Lucky23, 22 December 2008 - 02:11 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:10 PM

Erm, my power supply is a "JeanTech ATX 405W". And yeah I tried Ntune, same sort of result as RivaTuner. I have installed and uninstalled RivaTuner about 3 times already but don't worry ill happily install it again if I can get stuff to work. Thanks once again.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:18 PM

Just follow those rivatuner instructions link and you should be fine. I looked up your power supply but cant find any full specs on it. If you look on the side of it, it should say +12v and underneith that the amount of Amps. How many does your power supply have. If you have two columns of +12v then add the amps together.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:21 PM

17.0A. But i have two colums i think, and they are the same. So thats 34A.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:24 PM

Well if you have 17 for each +12v rail then you fine but if you have only 17A total then thats not enough. I think that card requires 24A or so on the +12v so if you have 34 then your good and your power supply is fine for that card.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:28 PM

So does that mean i can overclock it ok then? Dont need any extra Watts or Amps to do so?

To be honest with you i might go back to my old 17inch monitor if the case is ill be getting MUCH better FPS you know? What do you think?

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:34 PM

Well if you dont have enought Amps on the +12v then you power supply then wont be powerfull enought to power that card but from what it looks like your fine.

If you go back to a 17" your frames should be over 100 no problem. You also can pick up 22" lcd for a pretty good price now a days just make sure it has 5ms response/refresh time or less (2ms being the fastest right now) from what i know.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:37 PM

Alright man. absolutly brilliant help. Honestly, thanks for everything. Can't thank you enough. Think ill leave the overclocking and test my old monitor, if i get sweet asss FPS on crysis, the 32" can say bye bye.

EDIT: OK so im on TF2 now and on my old 17"...Im getting the same framerate :S. Any help/thoughts?

EDIT: Ok so, i have set the fan to 80%. Overclocked it to some settings recommended by some guy on some website. And i ran World of Warcraft this time, only to find that im literally getting the same FPS. Also just went on TF2 and i have the same FPS. Im on the brink of giving up :D... Going to go back to old Monitor for now. Hopefully continue this endeavour tomorrow.

Edited by HSW1212, 22 December 2008 - 04:41 PM.





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