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#1 Typhoon859

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:11 PM

Starting out straight with the point, without the "how" for now - I had no issues of this sort before but now, after the POST BIOS at the screen that searches where to boot from, I get this:
Verifying DMI Pool Data...

NVIDIA Boot Agent 249.0542
Copyright © 2001-2005 NVIDIA Corporation
Copyright © 1997-2000 Intel Corporation
PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
PXE-MOF: Exiting NVIDIA Boot Agent.

This loops for about 5 times and finally, underneath the last sequence, it says the following:
DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER
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I figured that the Operating System got corrupted for reasons that I'll explain afterward, so I decided to try and do a Windows Repair using the disc. All was good and well until I actually clicked on "Repair your computer" and no OS was listed in the System Recovery Options where it said "If you do not see your operating system listed, click Load Drivers to load drivers for your hard disks". That wouldn't help considering I never had to install any drivers for my hard disks. All my hardware is 3 months old and just a month ago, I ran stress tests on everything possible, memory tests, along with many other tests to check my system (including MemTest86 & Prime95). Including the stress test, I also checked all the blocks on my HDD for errors at the time so it isn't the problem.

Anyway, if I did in fact press "Load Drivers", I was able to see all the files on the drive. Along side the "C:" drive, there also was a drive named "Boot(X:)" which I'm assuming is the cache (not sure). Anyway, in the Windows folder of that "drive", there was a folder named "Boot" in which I even further found a folder named "PXE". The only files I'm able to view though are .inf (Setup information) files and in there was one named "WdsConfig". I tell you this because that folder seems as if it's of some great importance, considering it looks like what the NVIDIA Boot Agent explores. Maybe that folder is corrupted and maybe I can replace it by copying, pasting, and replacing it from my flash drive (just a wild guess).

In any case, what I was in fact successful in doing was using the error-checking software that comes with Vista, since I was also able to right-click the drive and use the tools that were in the properties. I selected both, to automatically fix file system errors and to scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors. A few common errors were found, all of which were fixed, but nothing major, again hinting towards the fact that the HDD and SATA connection to the motherboard are fine (and yes, I did try different SATA ports). What I was also successful in doing was a System Restore back to when I know the drive was booting (though I'm not too sure what that function recovers exactly, besides program changes).
The tools I'm given if I continue, even if I don't select an OS, are the following:

-Startup Repair
-System Restore
-Windows Complete PC Restore
-Windows Memory Diagnostic Tool
-Command Prompt

Without choosing the Operating System, it obviously says that it's unknown, an even worse factor being that it doesn't even know what drive to do any of the actions I'd select, which basically makes all those options null besides Command Prompt. By entering "rstruie.exe /OFFLINE:C:\Windows", I was able to do a System Restore which ended up not helping anyway. Since the system can read the drive in the BIOS, I want to again try to emphasize as much as I can that there is nothing wrong with it - it's just Windows.

The strangeness to all of this is that this happened after I solved another problem I've been having for the past 3 months. Before my current power supply which I listed in my profile, I had the Rosewill 600W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply (RP600V2-S-SL). Only recently have I figured out that the reason my system was freezing (probably at an average of every other day) and the reason it took me multiple tries to start up my system was because this power supply wasn't supplying enough amperage on the 12V rail (a max of 35A), considering that only my video card uses 26A from there. (The system usually froze during video playback, even more so during high resolution video playback.) I tried to find the reason for this issue two months ago but found improbable causes and the reason I looked into it now again and found the solution was because my system stopped starting altogether.

Basically, I replaced the power supply with my current CORSAIR one, where I ONLY REPLACED THE POWER PLUGS AND TOUCHED NOTHING ELSE FOR CERTAIN. I really didn't touch anything else so it seems odd to me that this problem occurred only now when I replaced the power supply, and not any of the other hundred times I shut my system down manually because of the freezes. I double checked that I had everything plugged in fully and properly. Maybe it had something to do with my system not starting up at all with my previous power supply. IMPORTANT: What I meant by my system not starting up was that all the fans turned on and ran at 100% as usual, difference being that usually this takes place only for a few seconds till the motherboard beeps. When it didn't start up, the fans just kept running at full power and my EVGA 680i motherboard just stopped at error code 25 (displayed on the board itself), which is video card related, probably because it's really the thing that was using most of the amperage. -Anyway, that issue is solved now.

By installing a fresh version of Windows onto a new hard drive and making this current HDD a slave drive, or maybe even placing it into an external shell, is there any way I can fix Windows on the drive since I'd have access to an OS on the other drive? Maybe I could replace some Windows files required for startup. Basically, can anybody recommend something for me to do? Thanks very much to all that even read this wall.

Edited by Typhoon859, 09 October 2008 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:26 PM

First I would run a bootable diagnostic from the manufacturer of your hard drive. You can find links to the most common one's here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/28744/hard-drive-installation-and-diagnostic-tools/
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:39 PM

First I would run a bootable diagnostic from the manufacturer of your hard drive. You can find links to the most common one's here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/28744/hard-drive-installation-and-diagnostic-tools/

But how can I do that if I can't get any further than accessing the BIOS? By getting a new drive and installing a fresh copy of Windows on it?
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Posted 10 October 2008 - 02:57 PM

The bootable diagnostic utility loads it's own operating system into memory (not in Windows) - that way the hard drive and the rest of the peripherals aren't used/needed.
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Posted 10 October 2008 - 07:06 PM

The bootable diagnostic utility loads it's own operating system into memory (not in Windows) - that way the hard drive and the rest of the peripherals aren't used/needed.

I can't find it for Hitachi. I found an exe file but not a bootable diagnostic utility. In any case, if my HDD turns out clear, so then what'd you say? There are like 4 things saying that there's nothing wrong with my HDD. And if there was something wrong, what would you say I do then? Thanks

Think I just found it. Is this what I need? The CD Image download there?

Edited by Typhoon859, 10 October 2008 - 07:09 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 08:46 AM

That's the one for the Hitachi. Download the ISO for the CD, then use an ISO burner to burn it to a CD (just copying it won't work).
Also, I was in a rush when I posted last, and forgot to suggest that you go into your BIOS to see if the hard drive is detected there.

As for what to do after this, I really don't have a concrete plan for that. The most likely thing is that the hard drive is bad - but there are other circumstances that could have caused this. In order to figure that out, we'll need to know the make and model of your system (or the make and model of the motherboard if it's a custom build). I've got a Gateway at work that's like this - and we're getting the motherboard replaced in order to "fix" it.

It's a matter of checking the "chain" between your hard drive and Windows. The file system, the cable, the hard drive controller, then on into Windows

The PXE thing is commonly seen when the system can't boot from the hard drive. What happens is that the computer realizes that it can't boot from the hard drive, and resorts to the next item in the boot sequence. The next item is (quite often) booting from the network - and that's what the PXE thing does (so the PXE message means, in essence, that the hard drive can't be booted from).
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 02:02 PM

That's the one for the Hitachi. Download the ISO for the CD, then use an ISO burner to burn it to a CD (just copying it won't work).
Also, I was in a rush when I posted last, and forgot to suggest that you go into your BIOS to see if the hard drive is detected there.

As for what to do after this, I really don't have a concrete plan for that. The most likely thing is that the hard drive is bad - but there are other circumstances that could have caused this. In order to figure that out, we'll need to know the make and model of your system (or the make and model of the motherboard if it's a custom build). I've got a Gateway at work that's like this - and we're getting the motherboard replaced in order to "fix" it.

It's a matter of checking the "chain" between your hard drive and Windows. The file system, the cable, the hard drive controller, then on into Windows

The PXE thing is commonly seen when the system can't boot from the hard drive. What happens is that the computer realizes that it can't boot from the hard drive, and resorts to the next item in the boot sequence. The next item is (quite often) booting from the network - and that's what the PXE thing does (so the PXE message means, in essence, that the hard drive can't be booted from).


I know I wrote a heck of a lot but some of the things you said are needed I mentioned in the thread. All my hardware is listed in my profile. Also, throughout my post, I listed 3 different things of why it's almost 100% not the hard drive. It's not a hardware issue. I know this. I'm trying to figure out a way to fix Windows manually, basically... I will do this check though. Ok. That's probably the only thing I haven't done to test the drive.

Edited by Typhoon859, 11 October 2008 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 02:55 PM

Just as quick System Spec Reference-

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Yorkfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W (BX80569Q9450)
Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin SDRAM DDR2 1066MHz (PC2 8500) - TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF
Storage: Master: Hitachi Deskstar 250GB 7200 RPM SATAII (P7K500 HDP725025GLA380) & Slave: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 7200RPM SATAII (7K1000 HDS721010KLA330)
Optical Drives: LG Black IDE 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - 22X DVD+R, 8X DVD+RW, 16X DVD+R DL, 22X DVD-R, 6X DVD-RW, 12X DVD-RAM, 16X DVD-ROM, 48X CD-R, 32X CD-RW, 48X CD-ROM
Video Card: MSI NX8800GTS 512M OC GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCIe 2x16 HDCP Ready SLI
Soundcard: Onboard Azalia (HDA) - 8 Channels
Power Supply: CORSAIR 650W SLI & CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply (CMPSU-650TX)
Heat Sync: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro, 92mm
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:08 PM

Just FYI - you'll see beneath my avatar that I am visually handicapped. So, I will sometimes miss things. I apologize for missing the one reference to your motherboard model that was buried within your post.
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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:09 PM

Just FYI - you'll see beneath my avatar that I am visually handicapped. So, I will sometimes miss things. I apologize for missing the one reference to your motherboard model that was buried within your post.

That's ok. I didn't mean for it to sound like an attack at you if it did. I noticed that you said you're visually handicapped from the beginning but didn't understand how it's possible. Do you just see very poorly? Or... how did you read this at all?

Anyway, I did all the tests from that CD .ISO in every way possible and my hard drive got no errors.
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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:10 PM

32" LCD monitor at 800x600 - about 12" from my face. More here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/blogs/usas...p?showentry=852

The hard drive tests good, yet it's not seen by Windows.
It's seen in the BIOS, but not in Windows.
I assume that you've run chkdsk - since you mention checking the blocks on your hard drive.

Leaves the most likely causes as
- cables
- SATA controller
- motherboard.

I'd suggest:
1 - checking the cables again, and trying another set just-in-case.
2 - obtaining the SATA controller drivers and loading them at the screen that says "Load drivers".

This is likely to be the appropriate chipset driver for your motherboard and OS: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_vista64_15.23.html
Here's an article that suggests a way to get the SATA drivers onto a floppy. http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=5872
Just substitute the XP for Vista and it should work for you.

Edited by usasma, 12 October 2008 - 01:34 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:30 PM

32" LCD monitor at 800x600 - about 12" from my face

Oh man, I'm sorry. That's terrible. And you had to read all that? man... The people I feel the worst for are visually impaired and blind. It's what my college essay is all about. I have the utmost respect for you for being on this forum and helping me and others out.

Back on topic though, so I mean, now I can pretty much be certain of the fact that the problem isn't the connection between the drive and motherboard nor the drive itself considering all the tests I've done. I know for fact now that it's just Windows. Might you know of any indirect way of fixing Windows that's not through the disc (considering that it's not picking up the OS when I try)? Maybe by booting from another drive with Windows on it and by making the one I need to fix the slave drive, maybe I can do something when I can access all its files. Maybe there's something else I can do, dunno..
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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:42 PM

Added more to my post above while you were replying.

I don't recall you stating that you've tested the cables, or different SATA connectors - have you?
Most likely it's not directly a Windows problem, but rather it's a problem with the drivers for your SATA drive. But this depends on how the system is setup and what exactly the problem is.

Could be cable problems, could be the SATA plug on the motherboard problem, could be the SATA channel on the motherboard problem, could be a driver problem with the SATA controllers, could be another problem with the motherboard.

BTW - did you run the Hitachi test on both hard drives? A problem with one can affect the other drive since they're linked through the SATA controller.
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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:59 PM

Added more to my post above while you were replying.

I don't recall you stating that you've tested the cables, or different SATA connectors - have you?
Most likely it's not directly a Windows problem, but rather it's a problem with the drivers for your SATA drive. But this depends on how the system is setup and what exactly the problem is.

Could be cable problems, could be the SATA plug on the motherboard problem, could be the SATA channel on the motherboard problem, could be a driver problem with the SATA controllers, could be another problem with the motherboard.

BTW - did you run the Hitachi test on both hard drives? A problem with one can affect the other drive since they're linked through the SATA controller.


I tried using different SATA cables and tried plugging them into different ports. Also, I unplugged the other HDD. Another thing; the Windows disc did read the drive actually. I was able to browse through it completely and even copy/delete folders. I was even able to make new txt files by right clicking. Windows is reading the drive considering I was able to do a System Restore which it read off the drive and I was able to run the error-checking console by right clicking the drive when I was browsing through it. What neither my system nor the Windows disc could read is Windows itself, as if the files that specified that I have Windows installed were missing. Windows isn't seen on the drive for some reason.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 05:18 PM

I'd have to suggest this article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392
Try the FIXMBR and FIXBOOT options first.
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