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#1 skunu2

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:05 AM

Recently I have been facing a strange problem with my desktop pc.Whenever I try to turn it on It is not getting started.The green light on motherboard remains on but the cpu is not getting started.But if I leave it like that i.e i leave the power on for some time and then turn the power off and again start it instantly then it starts lol (its like I have to charge my PC like a battery lol)I guess it is some smps fan problem.Just wanted to consult expert here before moving to service center.Any advice or help?

Edited by skunu2, 22 August 2008 - 09:10 AM.


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#2 rigacci

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:20 AM

Power supplies have what is called a "Time to Power". It represents the time it takes to get to full power.

If it takes too long, it will fault. The newer LCD Power Supply testers have that as one of the things it tests.


If you do find it is the power supply, remember that weight is a reflection of the power available. Don't skimp on your power supply. Make certain you get a good one and one that has enough watts. Nowadays, 400-500 watts is considered a minimum with many going up to 800-1000, for the gamers.

Good luck. I hope this helps.

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Edited by rigacci, 22 August 2008 - 10:20 AM.


#3 garmanma

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:22 AM

Newer power supplies come with a circuit breaker instead of a fuse installed. You reset the breaker by turning it off at the switch in the back near the cord. And yes, the PS can be bad even thought the light is lit on the motherboard.

Some simple test:

Caution: There are electronics inside the case that are very susceptible to electrostatic discharges. To protect your computer, touch the metal of the case to discharge yourself of any electrostatic charges your body may have stored before touching any of the components inside. As a safety precaution you should unplug the computer to avoid electrical shock.
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The purpose of this procedure is to bypass the motherboard to test the PSU.

Caution:
This procedure will involve working with live 12VDC electrical potentials which if handled improperly may lead to electrical shock. Proper precautions should also be taken to prevent electrostatic discharges (ESDs) within the case of the computer. For safety purposes please follow the instructions step by step.

First, shutdown your computer. Then unplug the power cable going into your computer.

Once you have opened the case, touch the metal of the case to discharge any static electricity.

The connector of the PSU which connects to the motherboard is readily recognizable by the number of wires in the bundle. To disconnect it you will need to press on the plastic clip to disengage it and then pull the connector up and away from the motherboard. Please take notice of the location of the locking tab and the notch on the socket of the motherboard, this will only connect one way as it is keyed. This wire bundle will have a memory of the way it has been installed and will want to bend back that direction, you may have to play around with it to find a position that the connector will stay in the same position while you run the test.

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From the top left to right the pins are 13-24, the bottom from left to right are 1-12.


Please notice that there are PSUs with 24 pin and 20 pin connectors, the location of the green wire in the 24 pin connector is #16, and the green wire in the 20 pin connector is #14. If you look at the connector with socket side facing you and the clip on the top the number one pin will be on the bottom left corner. This makes the pin out for the 24 pin connector from left to right 13-24 on top, and 1-12 on the bottom. The pin out for the 20 pin connector from left to right is 11-20 on top , and 1-10 on the bottom. If you look at the connectors you notice that these are sockets that fit over the pins on the motherboard where the PSU cable attaches, this is where you will place the jumper. For a jumper you will need a piece of solid wire about the size of a paper clip (20-22 awg), preferably a wire with insulation. It will need to be large enough to fit firmly into the socket so that it will not need to be held in place while testing. You are at risk of electrical shock if you are holding the jumper when you power up the PSU. Insert one end of the jumper into the socket of the Green wire, and insert the other end into the socket of any Black wire.

Once the jumper is in place plug the cord back in. If the PSU is working properly the case fans, optical drives, hdds, and LEDs should power up and remain on. I would suggest that you not leave this connected any longer than is necessary for safety purposes.

To reconnect the 20/4 pin connector unplug the power cord, remove the jumper, and reconnect the connector. Take a moment at this time to make sure that nothing has been dislodged inside the case.
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At this point you can use a DC Voltage meter to read the different rail Voltages. You will want to insert the black probe into any of the Black (-) sockets, and insert the Red (+) probe in the five different colored sockets, one at a time. Below are the five different colors and their corresponding rail Voltages. The Voltages should be within about ten percent of the given values.

Yellow +12VDC

Blue -12VDC

Red +5VDC

White -5VDC

Orange +3.3VDC

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#4 rigacci

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 12:47 PM

My bad. "Time to Power" is actually "PG" (for Power Good, I believe). :woot:

Here is a link that shows one of these power supply testers. The PG time of 320ms is considered good. If it is too long (not sure how long that is) it will shut down. :cool:

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/FCP...ter/index.shtml

Possibly what is happening is that after letting it sit for awhile, it is getting warm enough to reduce the PG time and allow a Boot-up. :huh:


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