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#1 big_Hunt1010

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 07:49 PM

i am looking to update a windows 98 with new drives and operating systems and i was wondering what i need to buy and do when i replace everything. basically I'm using the case, i want to know what is the best equipment to buy at a low to reasonable price. i already have a new OS , i need a new mother board ram video card processor, hard drive" i think i have one though." DVD)-rw/cd-rw, memory drives etc. hope u can help :thumbsup: computer.

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:59 AM

I'd be happy to help you, big_hunt1010.

I've been doing that sorta thing lately.
I found a used computer parts warehouse, and another computer surplus franchise not far away from where I live. It's cheap and fun to do.

Buying new parts, ones that aren't cutting edge can be fun, too.
The prices can be quite reasonable, and you get a lot for your money
when you shy away from the stuff that everyone wants.

After all, even old PCs still work,
and well ... if you keep in mind the limitations of the hardware.
You kinda want to prevent "bottlenecks" when assembling them.

For instance, you can install RAM that is more than you need,
or less ... depending upon the availability and the basic design
of the motherboard. By that I mean, some that is more than you need might
actually be cheaper because they made more of them (buying used thats a factor)
and because of industry standards, the RAM might be able to perform faster than your board will allow, yet they still work as fast as any can. The main thing is, they work.

So, let's give it a try.

Provide some more details about your case, what you can find locally,
if you can buy online, what places you have checked, how you want to use the "new" PC, etc.
patiently patrolling, plenty of persisant pests n' problems ...

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:06 PM

thanks does that used parts warehouse have a web site or catalog i could order from.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:23 PM

I'll check into that for you next time I'm there. Soon.

I'm finding even the major suppliers have pretty decent prices on the slightly out-dated motherboards, processors & RAM, however.
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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:30 PM

ok thanks man big help
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Posted 23 April 2005 - 11:26 PM

I'll be going with the next couple days.

A Dell Dimension xps r400 tower is the current oldie but goldie.
Pentium II 128MB RAM

put an old seagate 4.3 GB HD in.
installed win98

had to pass up three device driver installs (prompts say couldn't find the right ones)

tonight I'll search online, but I think I'll probably just buy
a modem
a soundcard
a video card

I expect to pay under 20.00 for all of 'em.

also find at BIOS (or just beyond, before the desktop) I'm missing
vnetbios.vxd whatever that is, it doesn't prevent loading or any functionality that I can tell, but still checking on things.
full message alludes to it being attached to a program, but like I say, it's before the windows loads, so I think it
has to do with the Dell motherboard BIOS.

the display is a standard default driver, and I can do better.
no sound & the modem is on com4 port, something having to do with Dell,
because com1 & com2 are open, but i'll pull those cards.

I haven't seen a BIOS screen yet, also a Dell thing, so I feel half blind but still
I persist. It was junk a week ago, winME stuck between (a rock & a hard spot)
BIOS and desktop. No recovery CD. lol

about things you might need:

I'll talk with the warehouse owner and see what gives.
I think it's a casual deal there, as in no order/ship/support online, but i dunno.

there is always the other one, which is a sorta franchise arrangement and might be more "organized". Let me know where you live, so I can get some idea of shipping details
if we get to that point. PM if you like.
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 03:24 AM

Good news and bad news.

The bad news first.
I encountered a sorta language barrier.
The one partner wasn't there today, and his Korean cousin was in charge.
He doesn't speak english too well, but i bought a keyboard
and mouse for two dollars each, anyway.

I'm on the Dell now.

It works quite well, actually.
I just added a sound card (TurtleBeach something or another)

I had come out of a Dell, and the thing is this:

Visit that website & look for the model number and it will tell you it's OEM, (Dell).
Not Turtle Beach retail. So, they say visit Dell for support.

Enter the Dell number and they'll download a "diagnostic" file.
If it doesn't work, call the customer service.
It didn't work.

So, instead, I entered Turtle Beach into their search engine and got results.
I pinned it down to one very likely the one I installed.
Called a Aureal Montego II if it was the retail version.
Downloaded the driver & it worked.

It wasn't easy as pie, but no big problem.

The Video driver issue was also not easy at Dell,
so I used an old ATI that was a AGP unit of relative antiquity.
3D Rage IIc.
Chip is called "mach64GT" so it might be 64MB RAM, and the AGP aperature sixe is the same, so I guess that'll work. I should put more than 2 32MB & 1 64MB system RAM into it, but oh, well.
Also cheap ... 10.00.

It works great. (enough)

Last hurdle, since I'm not restoring the Dell to original was the modem.
A US Robotics 56K one, mounted on some other kinda slot than the PCI.

Using the Everest Report it appears to number 5 of six, four being PCI ones.
Anyway, the drivers for it naturally weren't exactly available, but like the
sound card that bypasses the one in place integral to the board, I figured I could remove it and replace it with another one into an empty PCI slot.

Well, long story short is I ended up using the original one with drivers that MS
supplied based on it's locating the modem. It works, but at 28,600kbps.
Not my ideas of ideal, but I could just but a new 56K modem with drivers on CD for under 10.00. Probably will, but that'll put me at risk of going over the
budget of:
considerably under $100.00 for
case
PSU
mobo
processor
RAM
HD
zip drive
floppy disk drive
CD-RW (slow, at 32x/12x/40x and sorta generic, but what the heck)
keyboard
mouse
monitor

another $40.00 would buy a lexmark X5150 (Dell 940) all-in-one, but win98 doesn't cut it, so no go.

The missing vnetbios.vxd was part of the non-default OS installation I went back in and picked up after updating. Part of the Net Meeting stuff.

All in all it will be a good little system for the 8th grader who cuts our lawn. :thumbsup:

I mention this to you because no matter what the level of PC you build,
the parts put together will more than equal the equivelent dollars spent in most all retail circumstances, and you'll learn something everytime.

I'll visit the other "more of a franchise" place later in the week.

Heck, for $29.99 you can get winNT 4.0 for Workstation in the original plastic pack with instruction manual. Update it ... :flowers: It'd be perfect for some of these oldie but goldie systems.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 07:34 PM

alright long story but i get it
it will all add up
i also appreciate helping me out just mail me if u got any thing else

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 08:20 PM

Dear Big,

If you are looking to upgrade thats wonderful...for the computer companies. :thumbsup:

Really, you can find some great deals right now at several outlets.

What kind of case do you have and what kind of computer do you want?

If you are going into gaming, I would recommend going fresh.

If not, you can get some real steals.

Check out Newegg.com, Pricewatch.com, and Zipzoomfly.com, they have some great deals on regular computer parts.

Let us know what you plan to buy and we will shoot back a nay or yea!

We will help you with anything computer.

Get back with case info.,

junkdk :flowers:
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