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Sata 2.0 Drives In Sata 1.0 Motherboard


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#1 idiotboy

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 03:25 PM

I have purchased 2 SATA hard drives (both Samsung HD103UJ -- a very popular model).

The drives have a speed of 3.0Gbps, but my motherboard (MSI K7N2 Delta2 Platinum) only supports SATA 1.0, so I understand that I have to change the settings so that the drives run at 1.5Gbps.

But how?

When I boot with the HD103UJ drives, the computer hangs when BIOS tries to detect the SATA devices.

I downloaded the SATA1.5G(iso).zip patch from the Samsung web site (http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=126&orderNum=2) and burnt it to CD, but I can't use it -- BIOS won't let me boot from any device because, as I said, it hangs when trying to detect the drives. I don't have access to a computer with SATA 2.0 support.

I have tried booting with the drives individually, and the same thing happens. My old 1.5Gbps SATA drive works fine with the same cables.

The drives came without jumpers, and there is no information about jumper settings in the installation guide. I found no information on the Internet that related specifically to jumper settings for the HD103UJ model, but I did read on the Samsung site that you can force some 3.0Gbps SATA drives to run at 1.5Gbps by adding the following jumper:

[::|:]

However my drives have only 2 rows of pins:

[ ::]

I have no idea what they're for (32GB limit? RAID?) because there's no information about them in the manual, on the Samsung web site or on the drives themselves. I tried placing jumpers in both positions and it makes no difference anyway.

I have contacted Samsung but thusfar I have received only an automated reply.

Can anyone here help?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 04:06 PM

You probably don't have to change anything...I have SATA II drives connected to SATA 1 motherboards.

From Seagate website:

It is not necessary to set any terminators or other settings on this drive for proper operation. The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 150MB/sec drives is for factory use only. The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 300MB/sec drives can be used to force the drive into SATA 150MB/sec mode for use with older SATA controllers that only work with SATA 150MB/sec drives.

To me, that says that...if my system doesn't properly recognize/react to a SATA II drive which I've attached, then I need to consider setting that jumper. And that jumper forces the drive to function in a mode recognizeable to a controller locked in on 150MB/sec drives.

Since that has not happened and all my SATA drives work properly...I move on.

Louis

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 06:53 AM

I have purchased 2 SATA hard drives (both Samsung HD103UJ -- a very popular model).

The drives have a speed of 3.0Gbps, but my motherboard (MSI K7N2 Delta2 Platinum) only supports SATA 1.0, so I understand that I have to change the settings so that the drives run at 1.5Gbps.

But how?

When I boot with the HD103UJ drives, the computer hangs when BIOS tries to detect the SATA devices.

I downloaded the SATA1.5G(iso).zip patch from the Samsung web site (http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=126&orderNum=2) and burnt it to CD, but I can't use it -- BIOS won't let me boot from any device because, as I said, it hangs when trying to detect the drives. I don't have access to a computer with SATA 2.0 support.

I have tried booting with the drives individually, and the same thing happens. My old 1.5Gbps SATA drive works fine with the same cables.

The drives came without jumpers, and there is no information about jumper settings in the installation guide. I found no information on the Internet that related specifically to jumper settings for the HD103UJ model, but I did read on the Samsung site that you can force some 3.0Gbps SATA drives to run at 1.5Gbps by adding the following jumper:

[::|:]

However my drives have only 2 rows of pins:

[ ::]

I have no idea what they're for (32GB limit? RAID?) because there's no information about them in the manual, on the Samsung web site or on the drives themselves. I tried placing jumpers in both positions and it makes no difference anyway.

I have contacted Samsung but thusfar I have received only an automated reply.

Can anyone here help?

Thanks in advance.


I have the same setup:
MB: MSI K7N2 Delta2 Platinum with Latest Bios (2005) (I love this mobo, best K7 board there is :thumbsup:)
HDD: Samsung F1 HD103UJ 1TB

Now, the hdd only got detected sometimes. I thought, well this 1.5 gbps setting should be the sollution since i need a 100% secure/reliable system, so i made the CD image with the 1.5 gb flash switch.

Effect: No detection possible ever (not even sometimes yes).

New sollution: I'm going over to a friend and test if his SATA 2 Mobo can detect my drive. Then test it on the Sweex 150 Gbps raid pci card and see if it works. Then I will by the sweex permanently if it works.

I will update you if I have the final sollution.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 06:56 AM

You probably don't have to change anything...I have SATA II drives connected to SATA 1 motherboards.

From Seagate website:

It is not necessary to set any terminators or other settings on this drive for proper operation. The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 150MB/sec drives is for factory use only. The jumper block adjacent to the SATA interface connector on SATA 300MB/sec drives can be used to force the drive into SATA 150MB/sec mode for use with older SATA controllers that only work with SATA 150MB/sec drives.

To me, that says that...if my system doesn't properly recognize/react to a SATA II drive which I've attached, then I need to consider setting that jumper. And that jumper forces the drive to function in a mode recognizeable to a controller locked in on 150MB/sec drives.

Since that has not happened and all my SATA drives work properly...I move on.

Louis


Like that is the dumbest answer ever. DUH it should be compatible. But if you listen to us and look on the internet you can find that the Samsung F1 is not compatible with older nForce chipsets. Both Samsung and MSI won't provide firmware/bios updates. So forget about connecting them, we tried, dont work.

Now we need a real sollution, like a beta bios/firmware link or a pci card that is compatible....

thank you!

P.S. Seagate???? We use a SAMSUNG!!! damn... just go to wikipedia or some when proving a point...

Edited by Dutch87, 22 December 2008 - 06:57 AM.





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