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#1 newbeee

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 01:07 PM

A friend just did a clean install on Win98SE. She has dial up service. Since I have cable, I told her that I would go to Microsoft catalog and download everything for her on a CD.
When I went to the catalog, there's 75 critical updates :thumbsup: WOW.
I have 2 questions:
1. Do I need to download all 75?
2. I'm going to install IE 6 for her, do I first load all critical updates for IE5.5,
then IE6
Please don't tell me that I have to read each one to see which is applicable :flowers:
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 02:26 PM

As far as question 1:
All "critical" updates should be installed, before connecting to the internet.

Not sure about #2.
Wait for someone else to respond.
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#3 newbeee

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 02:53 PM

Thanks for responding, looks like I'll be here for a long time downloading all that stuff. :thumbsup: I'll wait for #2 before I start loading.
Thanks,
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 11:52 PM

1. Do I need to download all 75?
2. I'm going to install IE 6 for her, do I first load all critical updates for IE5.5,
then IE6


Good grief, no!

I've recently re-installed Win 98 twice and there are not 75 updates.

First you download IE 6, then there are only 22 more critical updates. IE6 has to be installed separately. Then you can install such things as DirectX 9 or the new Media Player.

I don't have a list, unfortunately, since I never thought I'd need one.

It would be easier for you to buy a network card if there isn't one on her computer and borrow her computer long enough to update it. $12 - $20.

Next time I have to install 98, I'll make a list.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:07 AM

Thanks Herk for responding.
I did bring her computer to my home, got a AirLink101 Fast Ethernet Adapter, installed it, powered up, inserted the floppy that came with the card, and the instructions say "if this is your first time to install the adapter and have not installed the protocols and clients for Microsoft and Netware, please do not restart the computer. Go to the Start\Settings\Control and double-click the Network icon to install the other necessary files for the network operation"

What protocals and clients for Microsoft and Netware Am I suppose to choose???? :thumbsup:
Well, I must have installed something I shouldn't have, there were many selections. I then rebooted and a complete freeze, nothing would load.
So, after another clean install, that's where I am. I know just enough to be very dangerous, but it's so much fun :flowers:

If you can copy your "history" from Microsoft and paste it here, I would greatly appreciate it. I know not to install 891711 till Microsoft fixes it, but the rest are a go. :trumpet:
Thank you,
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Posted 10 April 2005 - 12:56 PM

Jerrie,
Having done the same with win98SE just last week I'm familiar with the windows update situation. As mentioned, just the critical updates are needed.

see the post further down the thread for those (approx.)

(25) Security Updates.

They take priority, and will be installed first.
You might have a driver update or two, and I'd consider d/l those.

(2) Driver Updates (depends on your PC)

At that point in the process you'll probably see 48 more windows 98 & 98SE updates.
I still see 35 there when I visit.
I left all the (34) language packs.
I don't need the

01. .NET Framework 1.1,
because I don't use any applications that need it.

Once you start on those "non-critical" updates you'll see these:

02. Euro Conversion Tool (I use it)
03. Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache (yes)
04. Root Certificates Update (doesn't hurt)
05. Mapped Drive Shutdown Update (yes)
06. AOL ART Image Format Support (might visit one of those web sites)
07. Outlook Express (unless you have another like Thunderbird, you may need it)
08. Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express SP1 (needed if you did the above)
09. Agent 2.0 ( I figured why not?)
10. Windows 98 Games (yes)
11. Windows Address Book (yes)
12. Windows Media Player 9 (yes)
13. Security Update for Media Player 9 (yes)
14. GDI Detection

Edited by phawgg, 12 April 2005 - 03:12 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 01:19 PM

Here's another idea:

Hook her computer up to the phone line, go to Windows Updates, install the new update engine if necessary. Then, go back to Windows Updates and make a list of what it finds. Then download those and burn them to disk.

I'm surprised that the card wanted you to do all that stuff - I've been using Network brand cards and their software installs everything.

What protocals and clients for Microsoft and Netware Am I suppose to choose????


I'm just reloaded a 98 computer with an old NE2000 compatible card. Windows found the card without any problem when I was installing. Chances are, it found your card when you installed the hardware, but maybe not.

I didn't have to do anything to get on the internet with it. Windows set it up during the install. But here's a list of what's in the networking folder:

It's set to:
Client for Microsoft Networks

And the protocols are:

Dial-Up Adapter
NE2000 Compatible
TCP/IP->Dial-Up Adapter
TCP/IP->NE2000 Compatible


The TCP/IP has to be bound to the device - in this case, there is also a LT Winmodem, which is the dialup adapter.

I have not set up any networking or file sharing on that machine - it just has the internet connection.

Check to see what protocols you already have. These (or their counterparts) should be all you need, although the Network card's software sometimes adds more things. Your software may add stuff besides what you see here. Check your device manager to see if it's already loaded a driver for the card. (Windows key + Pause/Break key, then Devices tab.)

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:29 AM

Thanks to both of you for responding. I'm going to try that ethernet adapter again tonight. This time I'm going to call the 800 number.If I screw things up, I'll just clean install again. I can't hook her system up to my phone line, I have Comcast Cable
I will make a list of all the criticals for Win98. I do have my list for WinMe if anyone needs them.
I'm a little slow, you'r suggesting to take her computer to her home, get on line, print out all the criticals needed, load them on my system with CD. :thumbsup: Great idea!!!! :flowers:
I shall return
Thanks again
Jerrie

Edited by newbeee, 11 April 2005 - 08:34 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2005 - 09:57 AM

I'm a little slow, you'r suggesting to take her computer to her home, get on line, print out all the criticals needed, load them on my system with CD. Great idea!!!!


Even better idea: use your own phone line. You don't have to take the case back and forth - unless you're in an area where the call would be long distance.

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 10:05 AM

I'd like to see the ME list if you have it. Post it here for others to see as well.
Great idea keeping it!

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 09:31 PM

This if for Windows ME. These are the ones I loaded from Windows update after a Clean install Last May. Please don't think that I am suggesting that anyone load any of these. Please do them at your own risk. They run fine on my Windows Me. I have not loaded the recent two. To double check if everyone loads correctly, you can check them out in C drive-windows-Windows Update Note Pad on your system. I am very careful, I go to Windows Update, check for updates, close everything running except explore and systray, load the olders first, one at a time, reboot my system and go to the next one. I know your laughing at me, and this method is very time consuming, but ever critical/security update loads for me. :thumbsup: I started with the olders to the latest:
290700 Windows Me System Restore Update
812709 Security Update
811630 Critical Update
Windows Share Level Password Update Article ID 273991
Security Update April 2,2001
Security Update November 20, 2001
Security Update Feb. 13, 2002 (MSXML 3.0)
Security Update Feb. 14, 2002 Internet Exp. 5.5
Q323255 Sec. Update MS02-055
Q323172 Sec. Update MS02-048
Q329115 Sec. Update MS02-050
Q329048 Sec. Update MS02-054
Q329414 Sec. Update MDAC 2.5 MS02-065
814078 Sec. Update (Microsoft Jscript version 5.5) MS03-008
816093 Sec. Update Microsoft Virtual Machine MS03-011
823559 Sec. Update MS03-023
KB828026 Critical Update for Win.Media Player Script Commands
KB825119 Sec. Update MS03-044
Direct X 9.0b End-User Runtime
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Service pack 1
814078 Sec. Update Microsoft Jscript version 5.6
KB832894 Cumulative Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS-04-004
KB831167 Critical Update IE6 SP1
KB837009 Cumulative Sec. Update OE6 SP1 MS04-013
KB840315 Sec. Update MS04-023
KB 870669 Critical Update for ADODB.stream
KB823353 Cumulative Sec. Update OE6 SP1 MS04-018
KB867801 Cumulative Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS04-025
KB833989 Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS04-028
KB834707 Cumulative Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS04-038
KB889293 Cumulative Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS04-040
KB873374 Microsoft GDI = Detection Tool
KB890175 Sec. Update MS05-001
KB891781 Sec. Update MS05-013
KB867282 Cumulative Sec. Update IE6 SP1 MS05-014
As of 4/11/05 two new ones I have not installed:
KB891711 Sec. Update MS05-002
KB888113 Sec Update MS05-015
Happy computing and if someone has a list from their History View in Windows Update, I sure would enjoy a copy for Windows 98SE
thanks,
Jerrie

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 03:04 AM

This is the list of win98SE (critical) security updates.
Add it to the non-critical ones posted previously in this thread.
Add 34 language packs and you have them all. I think ... probably.

01. Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0
02. Windows Shared Password Update
03. Sep 7, 1999 Security Update
04. Nov 12, 1999 Security Update
05. Nov 29, 1999 Security Update 1
06. Mar 17, 2000 Security Update
07. May 19, 2000 Security Update
08. Apr 2, 2001 Security Update
09. Mar 7, 2002 Security Update
10. 811630 Security Update
11. 814078 Security Update
12. 816093 Security Update MS VM
13. 823559 Security Update
14. Q 323172 Security Update
15. Q 323255 Security Update
16. Q 329115 Security Update
17. Q 329414 Security Update
18. KB 837009 Cumulative Security Update OE
19. KB 840315 Security Update
20. KB 870669 Security Update
21. KB 873374 Security Update GDI
22. KB 885492 Security Update WMP
23. KB 888113 Security Update
24. KB 890175 Security Update
25. KB 891711 Security Update
26. KB 891781 Security Update

Edited by phawgg, 12 April 2005 - 03:18 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 09:42 AM

:thumbsup: :inlove: :flowers: I did it! I did it!! I did it!!! I got brave, put the ethernet card into the slot, booted up, got Hardware Wizzard, followed all instruction (without me changing anything), checked network componets to verify that it was the same as on my WinMe(& it was), checked device manager(no problem),then powered off. I then removed the power from my cable modem, plugged the ethernet cable from modem to Win98 computer, powered the modem up, wait 5 minuets for the modem to totally get into sequence, boot up computer, and presto, I'm on the internet downloading all critical updates. :trumpet:

Thank you everyone very very very much. What a great forum!!!!!!!

phawgg, I do have a few different one's than you. I'll list the ones that we don't have identical in my next reply. So far I've done only critical.

Thank you,
Jerrie (newbeee)

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 11:06 PM

Congratulations! You're on your way to being a great computer techie/guru. Keep up the good work.

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 03:11 AM

GOOD JOB! :thumbsup:
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