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#1 eclipse85321

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 05:45 PM

Hi, hope this is right. Norton AV shows that I have 5 adware problems. Can't get rid of it with Spybot, Adaware, Spyware Doctor and Norton can't fix it. I'm so out of options that I very carefully installed and made a log file from hijack this. A first for this novice! Hope you can help, thanks in advance.


Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 3:44:16 PM, on 3/28/2005
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\csrss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\devldr32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\GWMDMMSG.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\WksSb.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\SAVScan.exe
C:\Program Files\Media Access\MediaAccK.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_02\bin\jusched.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\MESSEN~1\ypager.exe
C:\Program Files\Media Access\MediaAccess.exe
C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\swdoctor.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\MUSICM~1\MUSICM~1\MMDiag.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Works Shared\wkcalrem.exe
C:\Program Files\MusicMatch\MusicMatch Jukebox\mim.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdfmgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\alg.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\HijackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.lucianne.com/
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.gateway.net
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Site Guard - {5C8B2A36-3DB1-42A4-A3CB-D426709BBFEB} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdsg.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Browser Monitor - {B56A7D7D-6927-48C8-A975-17DF180C71AC} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O2 - BHO: NAV Helper - {BDF3E430-B101-42AD-A544-FADC6B084872} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O2 - BHO: Acronis Popup Blocker - {E24AD748-155E-4254-B674-4EDF86E7E1DF} - (no file)
O3 - Toolbar: Easy-WebPrint - {327C2873-E90D-4c37-AA9D-10AC9BABA46C} - C:\Program Files\Canon\Easy-WebPrint\Toolband.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Norton AntiVirus - {42CDD1BF-3FFB-4238-8AD1-7859DF00B1D6} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GWMDMMSG] GWMDMMSG.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WorksFUD] C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\wkfud.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Microsoft Works Portfolio] C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\WksSb.exe /AllUsers
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\System32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Zone Labs Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Symantec NetDriver Monitor] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMNET~1\SNDMon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MimBoot] C:\PROGRA~1\MUSICM~1\MUSICM~1\mimboot.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Media Access] C:\Program Files\Media Access\MediaAccK.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_02\bin\jusched.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acronis Scheduler2 Service] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Acronis\Schedule2\schedhlp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [THGuard] "C:\Program Files\TrojanHunter 4.2\THGuard.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Yahoo! Pager] C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\MESSEN~1\ypager.exe -quiet
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Spyware Doctor] "C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\swdoctor.exe" /Q
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Gamma Loader.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Works Calendar Reminders.lnk = ?
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Google Search - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsearch.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Backward Links - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmbacklinks.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Cached Snapshot of Page - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmcache.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Look Up in &Encyclopedia - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Reference 2001\A\ERS_ENC.HTM
O8 - Extra context menu item: Similar Pages - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsimilar.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Translate into English - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmtrans.html
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_02\bin\npjpi150_02.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_02\bin\npjpi150_02.dll
O9 - Extra button: Spyware Doctor - {2D663D1A-8670-49D9-A1A5-4C56B4E14E84} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O9 - Extra button: Encarta Encyclopedia - {2FDEF853-0759-11D4-A92E-006097DBED37} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Reference 2001\A\ERS_ENC.HTM
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Encarta Encyclopedia - {2FDEF853-0759-11D4-A92E-006097DBED37} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Reference 2001\A\ERS_ENC.HTM
O9 - Extra button: Define - {5DA9DE80-097A-11D4-A92E-006097DBED37} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Reference 2001\A\ERS_DEF.HTM
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Define - {5DA9DE80-097A-11D4-A92E-006097DBED37} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Reference 2001\A\ERS_DEF.HTM
O9 - Extra button: Yahoo! Messenger - {E5D12C4E-7B4F-11D3-B5C9-0050045C3C96} - C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\MESSEN~1\YPager.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Yahoo! Messenger - {E5D12C4E-7B4F-11D3-B5C9-0050045C3C96} - C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\MESSEN~1\YPager.exe
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O16 - DPF: Aces Up! by pogo - http://game3.pogo.com/applet-6.1.0.39/aces...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Ali Baba Slots TM by pogo - http://slots.pogo.com/applet-5.9.4.22/slot...a-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Animal Ark by pogo - http://playweb03.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30/...l-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Backgammon by pogo - http://gammon.pogo.com/applet-6.0.1.20/bac...n-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Buckaroo Blackjack TM by pogo - http://vbjack.pogo.com/applet-6.0.0.32/vid...k-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Canasta by pogo - http://canasta.pogo.com/applet-6.0.0.25/ca...a-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Checkers by pogo - http://checkers.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30/c...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Command and Conquer Comanche by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/ccst...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Cribbage by pogo - http://crib.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/cribb...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Dice Derby by pogo - http://checkeredflag.pogo.com/applet-6.0.0...g-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Dominoes by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.31/domi...o-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Double Deuce Poker by pogo - http://doublebonus.pogo.com/applet-5.9.4.2...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Euchre by pogo - http://euchre.pogo.com/applet-5.9.2.21/euc...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: First Class Solitaire by pogo - http://solitaire.pogo.com/applet-5.9.1.28/...2-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Fortune Bingo by pogo - http://superbingo.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30...o-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Greenback Bayou by pogo - http://greenback.pogo.com/applet-5.9.2.31/...k-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Hearts by pogo - http://hearts.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30/hea...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: High Stakes Poker by pogo - http://game5.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.37/draw...r-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: High Stakes Pool by pogo - http://pool2.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/pool...l-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Its Outta Here 2 by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/itso...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Jokers Wild Poker by pogo - http://vpjoke.pogo.com/applet-5.9.1.28/vid...d-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Jungle Gin by pogo - http://gin.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.37/gin/gin-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Mah Jong Garden by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.3.35/mahj...g-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Multiline Slots by pogo - http://game6.pogo.com/applet-6.0.2.29/mlsl...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Pai Gow by pogo - http://game3.pogo.com/applet-6.0.2.29/paig...w-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Payday FreeCell by pogo - http://freecell.pogo.com/applet-5.9.1.28/f...l-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Perfect Pair Solitaire by pogo - http://waterwheel.pogo.com/applet-6.0.2.21...l-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Phlinx by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.37/flin...r-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Pinochle by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.3.28/pino...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Pirate's Gold by pogo - http://swashbucks.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30...d-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Pop Fu by pogo - http://popfu.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.37/popf...u-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Poppit TM by pogo - http://poppit.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30/pop...t-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Ricochet by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/rico...t-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Spades by pogo - http://spades.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.30/spa...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Squelchies by pogo - http://squelchies.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.31...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Sweet Tooth TM by pogo - http://sweettooth.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.37...h-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Tank Hunter by pogo - http://playweb04.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/...k-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Texas Hold'em Poker by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.31/hold...m-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Tri-Peaks by pogo - http://game4.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.31/peak...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Tumble Bees by pogo - http://jumbee.pogo.com/applet-6.0.2.29/jum...e-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Turbo 21 TM by pogo - http://game5.pogo.com/applet-5.9.5.37/turb...1-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Video Poker by pogo - http://vpoker.pogo.com/applet-6.0.3.28/vid...r-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: Word Whomp Whackdown by pogo - http://whackdown.pogo.com/applet-5.9.4.22/...n-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: WordJong by pogo - http://game5.pogo.com/applet-6.0.4.31/word...g-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: World Class Solitaire by pogo - http://klondike.pogo.com/applet-6.0.0.32/w...s-ob-assets.cab
O16 - DPF: {0E5F0222-96B9-11D3-8997-00104BD12D94} (PCPitstop Utility) - http://www.pcpitstop.com/pcpitstop/PCPitStop.CAB
O16 - DPF: {15AD6789-CDB4-47E1-A9DA-992EE8E6BAD6} - http://static.windupdates.com/cab/MusicAcc...e/bridge-c8.cab
O16 - DPF: {17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700} (Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool) - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=36467&clcid=0x409
O16 - DPF: {3CC943C7-3C99-11D4-8135-0050041A5144} (RunExeActiveX.UserControl1) - hcp://system/RunExeActiveX.CAB
O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/200312...meInstaller.exe
O16 - DPF: {56336BCB-3D8A-11D6-A00B-0050DA18DE71} (RdxIE Class) - http://software-dl.real.com/17348ca44bf19d...ip/RdxIE601.cab
O16 - DPF: {74D05D43-3236-11D4-BDCD-00C04F9A3B61} (HouseCall Control) - http://a840.g.akamai.net/7/840/537/2004061...all/xscan53.cab
O16 - DPF: {75565ED2-1560-4F15-B841-20358DE6A0D1} (ImageControl Class) - http://content.ancestry.com/asfiles/files/...ll/MFImgVwr.cab
O16 - DPF: {861DB4B6-3838-11D2-8E50-002018200E57} (MrSIDI Control) - http://images.myfamily.net/isfiles/downloads/MrSIDI.cab
O16 - DPF: {8E28B3A9-FE83-45D1-B657-D5426B81A121} (CustomerCtrl Class) - http://cs2b.instantservice.com/jars/customerxsigned35.cab
O16 - DPF: {9522B3FB-7A2B-4646-8AF6-36E7F593073C} (cpbrkpie Control) - http://a19.g.akamai.net/7/19/7125/1437/ftp...23/cpbrkpie.cab
O16 - DPF: {9732FB42-C321-11D1-836F-00A0C993F125} (mhLabel Class) - http://www.pcpitstop.com/mhLbl.cab
O16 - DPF: {99CDFD87-F97A-42E1-9C13-D18220D90AD1} (StartFirstControl.CheckFirst) - hcp://system/StartFirstControl.CAB
O16 - DPF: {9A57B18E-2F5D-11D5-8997-00104BD12D94} (compid Class) - http://support.gateway.com/support/serialharvest/gwCID.CAB
O16 - DPF: {9A9307A0-7DA4-4DAF-B042-5009F29E09E1} (ActiveScan Installer Class) - http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/as5/asinst.cab
O16 - DPF: {B8BE5E93-A60C-4D26-A2DC-220313175592} (ZoneIntro Class) - http://zone.msn.com/binFramework/v10/ZIntro.cab32846.cab
O16 - DPF: {B991DA79-51F7-4011-98D2-1F2592E82A56} (ACNPlayer2 Class) - http://204.118.132.145/2_0/ACNePlayer.cab
O16 - DPF: {CE28D5D2-60CF-4C7D-9FE8-0F47A3308078} (ActiveDataInfo Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/SymAData.cab
O16 - DPF: {DF780F87-FF2B-4DF8-92D0-73DB16A1543A} (PopCapLoader Object) - http://www.popcap.com/games/popcaploader_v6.cab
O16 - DPF: {E5D419D6-A846-4514-9FAD-97E826C84822} (HeartbeatCtl Class) - http://fdl.msn.com/zone/datafiles/heartbeat.cab
O16 - DPF: {EF791A6B-FC12-4C68-99EF-FB9E207A39E6} (McFreeScan Class) - http://download.mcafee.com/molbin/iss-loc/...443/mcfscan.cab
O16 - DPF: {EFAEF0E4-F044-4D57-9900-1C3FF18524C9} (AV Class) - http://www.pcpitstop.com/antivirus/PitPav.cab
O23 - Service: Acronis Scheduler2 Service (AcrSch2Svc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Acronis\Schedule2\schedul2.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Auto Protect Service (navapsvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: PictureTaker - LANovation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\PCTKRNT.SYS
O23 - Service: SAVScan - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\SAVScan.exe
O23 - Service: ScriptBlocking Service (SBService) - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\SYMANT~1\SCRIPT~1\SBServ.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Core LC - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe
O23 - Service: SymWMI Service (SymWSC) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 04:23 PM

Hi :thumbsup:

Please remove Media Access within Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel.

Download System Security Suite here:
System Security Suite Download. Unzip it to your desktop. Install the program. Don't use it yet.

Please print or copy these instructions because you are not able to access the Internet in SafeMode.

Make sure you are set to show hidden files and folders:
A. On the Tools menu in Windows Explorer, click Folder Options.
B. Click the View tab.
C. Under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders.
D. Uncheck Hide extensions for known filetypes and Hide protected operating system files.
How to see hidden files in Windows

REBOOT into SafeMode by tapping F8 key repeatedly at bootup: Starting your computer in Safe mode

Run HijackThis!, press Scan, and put a check mark next to all these:

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Media Access] C:\Program Files\Media Access\MediaAccK.exe

O16 - DPF: {15AD6789-CDB4-47E1-A9DA-992EE8E6BAD6} - http://static.windupdates.com/cab/MusicAcc...e/bridge-c8.cab
O16 - DPF: {56336BCB-3D8A-11D6-A00B-0050DA18DE71} (RdxIE Class) - http://software-dl.real.com/17348ca44bf19d...ip/RdxIE601.cab


Close all other windows and browsers, and press the Fix Checked button.

Delete these folders, if present:
C:\Program Files\Media Access\ <-- this folder


With all windows and browsers closed.
Clean out temporary and Temporary Internet Files.
A. Open System Security Suite.
B. In the Items to Clear tab thick:
- Internet Explorer (left pane): Cookies & Temporary files
- My Computer (right pane): Temporary files & Recycle Bin
Press the Clear Selected Items button.
Close the program.

REBOOT normally.

Run HijackThis! again and post a new log please.
Everyday is virus day. Do you know where your recovery CDs are ?
Did you create them yet ?

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