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#1 Spitfire262

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 06:51 AM

Ok guys, I know this is kinda long but I would greatly appreciate any advise or recommendations on this setup.

I was surfing around on CompUSA the other day and started putting parts together for a new PC. After quite a bit of browsing I think I have found a new configuration that I would be really happy with and that my pocketbook could actually afford. My primary concerns are use for gaming, bieng highly upgradable, and mid-level entry costs.

Here is what I got...

BOARD AND PROCESSOR

Intel DX38BT Motherboard with Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66Ghz Processor
This board seems like a really good value, Intel DX38BT Motherboard - Intel X38, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, eSATA, RAID
With support for 1333 MHz front side bus, fast DDR3 memory and overclocking.

Reasoning...
This has got a lot of features I like, 775 Socket type, 1333 MHz Front side Bus, 8GB support of DDR3 RAM at 1333MHz, 3 SATA 300 headers, 2 PCIe 2.0 slots, 1 PCI Express slot, 2 PCI Slots, RAID support, and it seems like a rather decent integrated audio package.

Not to mention that the board comes with the Q6700 and two 1GB Corsair DDR3 1333MHz RAM chips for a total of $600

Intel DX38BT

RAM

Corsair XMS3 2048MB
Dual Channel PC10600 DDR3 1333MHz Memory
The Twin3X2048-1333C9 is a 2048 MByte matched pair of DDR3 SDRAM DIMMs. This part delivers outstanding performance in the latest generation of dual-channel DDR3-based motherboards. It has been tested extensively in multiple DDR3 motherboards to ensure compatibility and performance at its rated speed. This memory has been verified to operate at 1333MHz at low latencies of 9-9-9-27.

Reasoning...
Since it already comes with two gigs of this stuff it seemed logical to get two more of the same for additional performance. 4 GB of this RAM should make a powerful machine and make use of its processor. This comes at $110.

Corsair XMS3

CASE AND POWER SUPPLY

Aspire X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower
This multi-functional thermally advataged Aspire X-Plorer mid tower is designed based on Intel recommended "Chassis Air Guide Design Guide" to achieve high lever thermal performance. With a built-in air duct on side panel to funnel cool air towards the processor and other system components passively without fan, X-Plorer is aimed to bring out the best performance for systems based on high-end processors. There are 2 x 80mm built-in fans with option of 2 additional fan space, plus the built-in air duct on side panel, the X-Plorer provides the supreme cooling solution to handle the toughest task for your system. The great features-front LCD temperature readout, front fan speed controller, front USB2.0 and Firewire ports and the imcomparable cooling solution that X-Plores delivers can only be found in very few of the expensive chassis in the market.

PowerUp GEN-6803 800-Watt Power Supply
New from PowerUp – the GEN-6803 800-watt power supply that’s ready to drive your most ambitious system. That’s right, 800-watt of high-performance power you can use for the most advanced multimedia or gaming system. You’ve spent a fortune for the most complete system – that powerful PC you’ve always wanted. With the Power Up GEN-6803 800-watt power supply, you’ve got the perfect PS that will put an exclamation point on your system. Designed for reliable, safe, top performing power distribution. Affordable pricing makes our new Power Up 800-watt power supply the best value on the market.

Reasoning...
Not really picky here, just like ventalation, removable mother board tray, and plenty of drive bays. The addition of the 800 watt power supply seemed like a good value at a total of $130.

Apevia X-Plorer w/ 800w PS

HARDRIVE

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB Hard Drive
Combining proven components, state-of-the-art technology and expertise in volume manufacturing, the Seagate® Barracuda 7200.11 drive—the eleventh generation of this award-winning desktop hard drive family—delivers up to 500GB of reliable digital storage.

Reasoning...
500 GBs, SATA 300, and 7200 RPM's sound good to me at $110

Seagate 500GB

DVD DRIVE

Plextor PX-810SA 18x DVD±R ROHS Internal Black
The PX-810SA DVD Super Multi Drive from Plextor® offers all the advantages of our legendary DVD and CD-RW drives. It supports blazing fast 18X burns on single layer DVD±R media (4.7 GB), 10X burns on double/dual layer media (8.5 GB) and 12X on reliable DVD-RAM media. The PX-810SA DVD Super Multi Drive is the only DVD burner you’ll need to get the job done right the first time.

Reasoning...
Lots of formats, fast write times, SATA ect. at $90.

Plextor PX-810SASW

VIDEO CARD

HIS Radeon HD 3870 IceQ3 Video Card - 512MB GDDR4, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, Video Card

Reasoning...
Like said above, 512MB GDDR4, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready sounds really nice. I don't want to scrimp on a video card but I also don't want to spend a fortune. At $250 this seems like a good compromise particularly since I could easlily buy another one later and Crossfire them.

HIS Radeon HD3870


CONCLUSION
So a grand total of $1,314.93 makes this machine. Thats a little less than I paid for my Dell Dimension 8400 a few years back and a whole lot more upgradable. Given whats available right now, I could put in a 3.0 Intel Quad core, 8 GB of killer RAM, double up two 512MB video cards, and whatever RAID I prefered. What do you guys think, is this a good deal for the money and will it be worth upgrading like I think it will?

Thanks in advance guys!

Edited by Spitfire262, 28 March 2008 - 06:52 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2008 - 08:06 AM

http://www.newegg.com/


http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/23121/newegg-hot-deals-promotions-promo-codes-and-coupons-for-our-members/


Compusa should have stayed out of business, that site looks awfully familiar, now i remember the one with poor reseller ratings tigersomething out of Tampa
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 08:12 AM

by the way that plextor deal is horrible, especially since the drive is not a real plextor but a rebadge
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 12:33 PM

I checked Newegg.com as recommended and I found that the same motherboard, processor, and RAM and the price difference is quite significant. I see this bundle as a very good value and Newegg has nothing like it on their site. As far as the DVD drive goes, what do you mean when you say it is not a real plextor but a rebadge. Thanks for the advice!

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 01:58 PM

I was just going to say to look on newegg cuz the processor/mobo/ram combo seemed a little high.
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 05:54 PM

For the processor, you might as well go with a Q6600. It is just a little slower and about half the price of the Q6700. I never really understood what the big difference in price was for. On Newegg you can find ATI Radeon 3870's with the same specs for under 200$. You could also get a Nvidia 8800GT, for a little bit more.
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 06:33 PM

you are not going to get your money's worth out of that ram either,

low latencies of 9-9-9-27


cas 9 is high latency and running at 1333 with a cpu that only does 1066

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820134596

cas 5 at 1066 makes more sense

ddr3 is not a good choice for memory or a motherboard
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 10:40 PM

Ok, i appreciate the input guys.

For the processor, you might as well go with a Q6600. It is just a little slower and about half the price of the Q6700. I never really understood what the big difference in price was for. On Newegg you can find ATI Radeon 3870's with the same specs for under 200$. You could also get a Nvidia 8800GT, for a little bit more.


Well, I would normally agree with this but in this bundle you get a CPU, motherboard, and a little RAM for $600 when they would sell seperately (even at Newegg) for $850. To me this is a good reason to get the Q6700 over the Q6600.

you are not going to get your money's worth out of that ram either,


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low latencies of 9-9-9-27


cas 9 is high latency and running at 1333 with a cpu that only does 1066

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820134596

cas 5 at 1066 makes more sense

ddr3 is not a good choice for memory or a motherboard


DDR3 is the future of RAM. I would normally agree with you on this but I want a board that I will be able to really upgrade in a few years. This RAM I am thinking of using is not necessarily better than some of the current DDR2. But when the newer DDR3 comes out and becomes cheaper it will more than likely eclipse DDR2 capabilities.

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You never answered my question about the Plextor. What do you mean by not a real Plextor?

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 10:49 PM

--------[ Memory Latency ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Athlon64 3500+ 2250 MHz Asus A8V Deluxe K8T800Pro Dual DDR500 2.5-4-4-10 CR1 46.2 ns
Athlon64 X2 Black 6400+ 3200 MHz MSI K9N SLI Platinum nForce570SLI Dual DDR2-800 4-4-4-11 CR1 47.2 ns
Athlon64 3200+ 2000 MHz ASRock 939S56-M SiS756 Dual DDR400 2.5-3-3-8 CR2 55.2 ns
Sempron 2600+ 1600 MHz ASRock K8NF4G-SATA2 GeForce6100 Int. DDR400 SDRAM 2.5-3-3-8 CR2 58.9 ns
Athlon64 X2 4000+ 2100 MHz ASRock ALiveNF7G-HDready nForce7050-630a Int. Dual DDR2-700 5-5-5-18 CR2 61.7 ns
Core 2 Duo E6700 2666 MHz Abit AB9 P965 Dual DDR2-800 5-5-5-18 CR2 69.2 ns
Xeon X3210 2133 MHz Intel D975XBX2 i975X Dual DDR2-667 5-5-5-15 74.6 ns
Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2666 MHz Gigabyte GA-EP35C-DS3R P35 Dual DDR3-1066 7-7-7-20 CR2 79.9 ns
Opteron 248 2200 MHz MSI K8T Master1-FAR K8T800 Dual DDR266R 2-3-3-6 CR1 80.1 ns

my son hit 39.5 the other night

guess our old ram is obsolete

wonder why it's so fast tho

plextor hasn't made any dvd burners in 2 years, google

your link is a pioneer 212

I guess I don't know memory or dvd burners

Edited by DaChew, 28 March 2008 - 10:54 PM.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 11:02 PM

It's often argued that DDR2 memory is certainly fast enough for today's processors, as Intel's current fastest Front Side Bus (FSB) uses a 1333-MHz data rate. But doesn't this newer FSB require "1333 MHz" memory to perform? The simple answer is no.


http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/04/ddr...tout/page2.html
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 12:13 PM

Ok guys, I really appreciate all the help so far. I am a total NEWB at this and I have been researching for thae last couple of days. I have since started from scratch and I have a whole new build that I would love some opinions on. I would like to build mine with an Nvidea 780i MOBO, Q9660 CPU (probably OC to 3.2GHz) witn aZALMAN CNPS9700 attached , 4GB's of Crucial Ballisic Tracer 800Mghz RAM synched 1:1, 2 9600 GT Video Cards in SLI, 2 250 GB WD SATA IIHardrives in RAID 0 with OS and program files, 2 500 GB WD SATA II Hardrives in RAID 1 for storage (total 1TB), 2 SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD SATA Burners, VISTA 64 bit, and all packed in a CoolMaster Stacker 830 Full Tower w/1,000 Power supply. What do you think? Newegg has all items in stock with list and pricing below...

Questions are 1.) Is this a good setup for the money? 2.) Should I run into any issues synching said RAM to CPU OC's at.. Q6600 400Mhz 1600QDR 8x 800Mhz =3200Mhz
3.) Any thoughts on the RAID setup? 4.) Should there be suffecient cooling with said CASE and fan/heatsink?

Thanks for all the advice!

THE STUFF!!!

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price

Update COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKR3-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case Real Power Pro 1000W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: RC-830-KKR3-GP
Item #: N82E16811119136

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
Mail-in Rebate
$579.99 -$200.00 Instant $379.99

Update EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: 132-CK-NF78-A1
Item #: N82E16813188024

Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$259.99 $259.99

Update EVGA 512-P3-N862-AR GeForce 9600GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #: 512-P3-N862-AR
Item #: N82E16814130328

Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
Mail-in Rebate
$179.99 $359.98

Update Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
Model #: BX80562Q6600
Item #: N82E16819115017

Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

In Stock
$249.99 $249.99

Update Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AL1065 - Retail
Model #: BL2KIT12864AL1065
Item #: N82E16820148070

Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

In Stock
$94.99 $189.98

Update Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2500YS
Item #: N82E16822136055

Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$69.99 $139.98

Update Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD5000AAKS
Item #: N82E16822136073

Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$99.99 $199.98

Update Logitech G11 Silver & Black USB Standard Gaming Keyboard - Retail
Model #: 967929-0403
Item #: N82E16823126009

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$58.99 $58.99

Update SAMSUNG 2220WM-HAS Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height adjustment - Retail
Model #: 2220WM-HAS
Item #: N82E16824001262

Return Policy: [LCD] Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

In Stock
$289.99 -$20.00 Instant $269.99

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Model #: 910-000093
Item #: N82E16826104076

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$49.99 $49.99

Update SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM
Model #: SH-S203N
Item #: N82E16827151154

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$33.99 -$4.00 Instant $59.98

Update Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Model #: 66R-00838
Item #: N82E16832116215

Return Policy: Software Return Policy

In Stock
$189.99 -$20.00 Instant $169.99

Update ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
Model #: CNPS9700 LED
Item #: N82E16835118019

Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

In Stock
$79.99 -$26.00 Instant $53.99

Update ZALMAN ZM-F3BL 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - Retail
Model #: ZM-F3BL
Item #: N82E16835118021

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$12.99 -$2.00 Instant $76.93
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 01:34 PM

I haven't seen any benchs for the 9600 yet but it's only supposed to be 40% faster than an 8600

using this chart as a baseline
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
that only gets you up to 75-80fps at best

then adding a second one adds 20% which still leaves you below 100fps

a single 8800GT beats that

and the intel quads aren't very overclockable, as soon as all 4 cores start ramping up, there's too much heat

intel had to clock them down already

Edited by DaChew, 01 April 2008 - 01:35 PM.

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