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#1 daic

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 05:18 PM

Hello,
I am going to reformat my Hard Drive on my Windows Xp Home system, and i wanted to know if anyone here knew how to make the disk to completely shred the contents of a Hard Disk Drive. The reason i wanted to do this is because i have had this computer for some years and i know that i have gathered quite a few viruses over these year. I have reformatted this drive many times, but i want to completely erase the drive, aside from just the usual format process.

If someone knows what i mean any information is helpful, if not im sure i will find it some way :thumbsup:

P.S. Also i am curious as to which antivirus/spyware programs people use, i have a few that i use myself but im interested to know which ones other peoples are using. (If able, state a reason as to why you use said program)

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 05:49 PM

Doing a clean install will get rid of everything, including those viruses, however there is a very low chance of them staying on there, but I wouldn't worry to much about that.

As for the Security Programs, I recommend checking out Freeware Replacements For Common Commercial Apps, where you will find many useful programs.

Also, the programs I use are;

Anti-Virus: AVG Anti-Virus (Free Edition)
Anti-Spyware: Spyware Terminator along with SpywareBlaster as-well as SUPERAntiSpyware
Anti-Rootkit (Optional): AVG Anti-Rootkit
Firewall: COMODO Firewall PRO

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Edited by david28, 21 March 2008 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2008 - 10:15 PM

Thanks for the reply, David28 :flowers:
I know theres a way to completely clean a Hard Drive, other then a format. Since other files can still be recovered when you format a Hard Drive. I'll have to keep looking around. :thumbsup:
Thanks for posting the programs you use, nice to get an idea of what others are using.

If anyone else has some ideas, ill check back later and reply, thanks again.

~Daic.

Edited by daic, 21 March 2008 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 10:22 PM

With a quick Google search I found this, hopefully it will be useful.

Regards,
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 10:28 PM

Well glad i checked back, didnt think id get a reply so fast :thumbsup:
That seems to be what i was talking about, thanks for taking the second to try a google search, and whatever else you may have done.

Note- I read the page, and think i should try the ERASER program to the DBAN - Darik's Boot and Nuke. Any suggestions before i try them out?

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 10:34 PM

Either should do what you want.
There's also Active@ KillDisk
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 11:09 PM

Ahaha! Fast reply is my middle name!

(Actually it isn't but anyway :thumbsup: )

Yes I was just about to recommend Active@ Killdisk to you but tg1911 snuck in before me.

And, as for that program you were talking about, ERASER, I personally haven't used it so I can't tell you anything about it.

Regards,
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Posted 22 March 2008 - 03:26 AM

(Being fast isnt always a good thing... i should know :flowers: )
I downloaded the Active@ Killdisk, and made the image. Seems it will work find, my only question is that with the non pro version of the software the program states that it only 'Erases with one-pass zeros'. Just wondering what isnt going to be erased if i use the non-pro version of the software.

Heres what the Professional version of Active Killdisk offers compared to the FREE version:
Erases with one-pass random characters
Erases with user-defined number of passes (up to 99)
US Department of Defense 5220.22 M compliant
German VISTR compliant
Russian GOST p50739-95 compliant
Gutmann method compliant
Customizable security levels
Supports all detected hard disk drives


As i said in my first post this computer is decently old and the hard drive is the original, i know i have gained my share of viruses, etc over the years.
The question being, is it worth the effort to get PROFESSIONAL compared to the FREE version?

(Just want to start as fresh as i can.)

Note: Other then perhaps the time taken to delete the files, is it better to format the drive first then use Killdisk, or does it not matter?

--Thanks again for the reply david28 and thanks for replying tg1911, cheers :thumbsup:

P.S. My USB Flash Drive is at a friends house at the moment and i havent had an A: for some time, (seems the ERASER program only uses floppy and USB for a DOS boot) so ill have to wait to try that out but when i do ill let ya know.

~Daic.

Edited by daic, 22 March 2008 - 03:46 AM.

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 03:36 PM

One thing i have noticed about the ERASER program is that when your RIGHT CLICK items it gives you the option to use the ERASER program to delete it instead of a normal delete, which may or may not be something thats needed, but just an FYI :thumbsup:
Also as a note the DBAN - Darik's Boot and Nuke seems to be a nice program as well, but ill have to look at it more closely. I did notice that it states that it has American DoD 5220-22.M Standard Wipe, which seems to be only part of the PROFESSIONAL version of ACTIVE KILLDISK. Ill have to look into them closer, just trying to shed some light :flowers:

EDIT: The ERASER program seems to be more of a OS based system, DBAN - Darik's Boot and Nuke seems to be the actual making a boot device for DOS usage. (USB, Floppy, CD/DVD)

Edited by daic, 22 March 2008 - 03:43 PM.

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 05:46 PM

One thing i have noticed about the ERASER program is that when your RIGHT CLICK items it gives you the option to use the ERASER program to delete it instead of a normal delete, which may or may not be something thats needed, but just an FYI


Yeah I think it acts like a file Shredder aswell.

Well about buying the Pro version, how much is it? I mean, you could just buy another Hard Drive for a ittle bit mroe than the Pro version of Eraser. That leaves you with two hard drives (useful for the extra storage).

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 07:25 PM

Active Killdisk PROFESSIONAL is like $50.00. I know hard drives aren't much more then that but i don't have the money for that right now and this system is ending its run, just making the most of it until i can buy a completely new computer. I also already have 2 HDs in the computer at this time.

Furthermore, I will probably use the DBAN - Darik's Boot and Nuke, since it does what Killdisk PROFESSIONAL does but without the fee. I just need to get my USB Flash Drive back and i will try it out.

Since you didn't reply to it im assuming that formating before using DBAN - Darik's Boot or Nuke/Active Killdisk isn't a necessity.

Thanks for the reply :thumbsup:

~Daic.

Edited by daic, 22 March 2008 - 07:28 PM.

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 08:08 PM

One pass of zero's is all you need. Any more is overkill
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 02:41 AM

Thanks garmanma for the reply. Out of curiosity why do you say anything more then One pass of zero is overkill?

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Other then these programs, do you recommend anything more other then making sure no infected files are open, etc?
AVG Anti-Virus (Free Edition)
Spyware Terminator
SpywareBlaster
AVG Anti-Rootkit
COMODO Firewall PRO
For the COMODO Firewall PRO


With these programs installed, is there any need for programs like Spybot S&D for example?

Thanks again to all who have replied. :thumbsup: :flowers:
Everything said and the actions taken help me learn.

~Daic.

Edited by daic, 23 March 2008 - 02:56 AM.

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 09:01 AM

I don't use Spybot or AdAware anymore. They just don't do the job. I use AVG anti-spyware and Superantispyware. Along with Spyware Blaster I use Spyware Guard
The most important thing do do with whatever you use, is to keep them updated. That along with safe internet practices.
As far as the number of passes, the government has a set of standards for erasing hard drives. I'm not going to look it up right now, but they have different levels of procedures. The more classified, the more involved the method
The thing I always find humorous, people are so concerned about viruses, but turn off the BIOS boot scan because it slows their boot time by 10 seconds
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 05:34 PM

The thing I always find humorous, people are so concerned about viruses, but turn off the BIOS boot scan because it slows their boot time by 10 seconds


har, yes that is funny.
As i said just curious as to what people use, ill try these out and see how i like them for my uses. Of course i keep things up to date, although of course many people dont and wonder why they get viruses etc. I had noticed Ad-Aware was getting bad and spybot S&D isnt bad eathier but of course there are better. Thanks again for listing what programs you use, so far i like the UI etc of them :flowers:
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I used the Active Killdisk and reinstalled my OS. A query though, i used Killdisk, then put in the OS disk to install the OS, and when everything was said and done my
MAIN drive is letter E:
and my second Hard Drive is letter C:
and my CD-Rom Drive is D:

whereas before my MAIN drive was C, second was D, and my CD-Rom Drive was E.

I know this isnt a big deal just want to know how it got set up as that if anyone can shed some light :thumbsup:

Thanks again,
~Daic.

EDIT: If you use the ERASER program to delete items, that will help with keeping those excess files off my computer, to not be able to be recovered, correct?

Edited by daic, 23 March 2008 - 05:38 PM.

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