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#1 sharpie

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:21 PM

the man who is fixing my computer told me that my HD is dieing. he said he saw lots of 0's and 5's or 3's or something like that. how did this happen? my computer seems to be working properly. is there a way that i can prevent the HD from dieing. is there a way that i can tell if it is really dieing?

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:26 PM

All (modern) hard disks use a form of reporting, called "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology". Your computer-fixer is probably using this data to make his determination. You can use the free program SpeedFan to access this data for yourself, and get a listing of how the disk is doing.

EDIT: Also, there is no way to prevent hard disk failure. Wikipedia has an excellent article on why that is ;)

Hope it helps,

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 08:30 AM

IMO, the best way to check the status of your hard drive...to determine its "health"...is to download a diagnostic from the website of the hard drive manufacturer...and run the long test, IAW instructions for doing so.

These diagnostics are specifically designed by the HD manufacturer for said purpose, while SMART is a generic monitoring system that may not necessarily reflect the precision of a manufacturer's diagnostic.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 10:07 AM

While I agree, speedfan uses the official tools from hard disk makers in its backend.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 11:59 AM

Thanks, Billy...I've never used Speedfan.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:48 PM

Unfortunately, while there is a standard set of SMART attributes, there are additional attributes that drive manufacturer's add to their firmware. A generic test (such as SpeedFan or HDTune) will do a good job of determining serious failures, the additional tests built in by the manufacturer may give you a "leg up" on detecting impending problems.

As there's no central repository of what tests are offered by which manufacturers, I prefer the method of using the test from the company who manufactured the hard drive. They will know best what's right/wrong with their hardware.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 07:46 PM

Thank you-
How do I find out the company who built my hard drive? When I do find out who built it do I just google them, go to there web site then look for a scan? Also, how do HDs get like this? How am I "killing" it?

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 07:58 PM

Speedfan can tell you the company and model.... :flowers:

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 08:05 PM

The sticker on the drive tells you the mfgr and the build date. Get the mfgr and we will give you the link.

You are not killing it. They wear out.
Hard drives spin at about 8,400 rpm. Thats pretty fast!
Three to 4 years is about all that you can reasonably expect out of them.
Though I have had a few that are getting close to 10 now. I better not jinx them!
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 08:20 PM

To make matters worse I have had in one instance a drive pass the manufactures test and still be bad. I am awaiting feed back from the manufacture. SIW is Another good program for finding information on your computer.


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Posted 24 February 2008 - 08:45 PM

I have had several instances of that Sneaky
If you think it is failing its best to replace it.
Do it right the first time. Then you are done
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Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:40 PM

i think i would need to bring it to a place to have it done because i would also need a data transfer.
what do you guys think. i have had this computer for a while now. it has an 80 gig hd. should i just buy a new computer? even the basic computers that dell/hp etc sell are a lot better than the one i have and i know someone that could transfer all of my music files for me free of charge. but the new computers come with vista and i heard that that isnt too good. i have had the computer for a few years now and because the hd is dieing will other parts start to stop working?
i would end up spending $160 on a new hd and data transfer, but then what if other parts start to go bad because the computer is a few years old??

what do you guys think?

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 06:18 PM

IF the repair man can save your windows installation as is, I'd go for the $160 repair. If he cannot, I'd scrap the machine.

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 06:44 PM

All computers eventually wear out. Some sooner than others. The computer is only obsolete if it no longer performs the function you want it to. I Understand that the HDD is bad, to say how long the other components will last is a gamble. They may last another 5 years they may burn out tomorrow. My second computer in my SIG is at least 8 years old it still runs windows XP Professional SP2 quite well and can perform any function my current PC can. Its only a little slower since it was designed for earlier versions of windows. IMO its not worth it to scrap a computer because it may or may not go bad. A new system will be far more than 160.00. How old is the current system and what are your expectations of it?
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Posted 25 February 2008 - 08:44 PM

Well...I've learned that any system...any system can be repaired, if the user truly has the guts/patience to do so.

I'm sure that I could buy all new parts...and install same...for much less than a new computer from one of the boxmakers would cost.

I've never discarded any computer because of a hard drive gone bad...that's pretty routine stuff, takes a few minutes to correct/replace a hard drive.

As for recoverying data from a hard drive...there are several programs that perform recovery that won't cost $160...and can be used again, if the situation warrants it.

It's up to you, you're the owner and no one can tell you what your system means to you.

The one lesson that all should have gotten out of this rhetoric...it's good to have a backup/spare system to ease the pain of repairing "the one and only".

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