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#1 Typewriter

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 02:30 PM

I put my computer together about a year ago, and it's a pretty good system (or so I think).

I've got 4 gigs of ram
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819103759
X1950 Saphire Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814102070
And my case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16811125448

I started playing through Neverwinter Nights 2 and the computer would get a bunch of artifacts and crash after 30 minutes to an hour. I was disappointed, but looked up the issue and saw that the game seemed to give a lot of people with good systems trouble. So I played through it with minimal settings and only had the occasional issue. Since then I only played the occasional game, and I had a bunch more heating issues - but I figured it was because my part of the apartment was really hot - so I put the computer right next to the AC vent.

Then I moved out of there and into my current place. I was fine for awhile then started having heating issues again. I bought a new fan (one of those that has a bendy neck - so that you can put it where you want). and placed it under the graphics card blowing up (hopefully to help clear out hot air from there).

Now I've picked up Crysis. It recommends I play on medium settings, but that only lasts 10 minutes before overheating. On low settings I can make it maybe 20. I've tried changing the flow of fans, taking off the side and putting a full size house fan right there blowing in, with the front and rear fans blowing out. Nothing seems to work. I currently have fan on it's side with the other side off(thinking maybe the heat will will rise up out of the case a little bit). The two front fans are blowing in, and the two rear are blowing out, and my current temperatures are:

SpeedFan:
Local: 35C
Remote: 33C
System: 39C
CPU: 39C
AUX: 38C
Core: 34C

and Catalyst control center says my card is at 37C

If anybody has any thoughts / ideas on what I could do to lower the temperatures a little bit I'd really appreciate it. Am I just going to have to buy a big tub and fill it full of mineral oil and dunk the whole PC into it?

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 03:40 PM

Then I moved out of there and into my current place. I was fine for awhile then started having heating issues again. I bought a new fan (one of those that has a bendy neck - so that you can put it where you want). and placed it under the graphics card blowing up (hopefully to help clear out hot air from there).

The video card fan is pulling heat off of the chip and you're blowing it back on. Did you use a good thermal compound on the CPU heatsink? Did you check both heatsinks (underneath the fans) for lint build-up.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 04:00 PM

those temps don't look that high

speedfan doesn't give a good reading of what component is getting that hot tho

coretemp is better for cpu temp

at idle your cpu core should be 35-40 at most

under extended full load 60C

your gpu would probably run even hotter

everest ultimate is good for identifying the components

your ram might even be the culprit?

cpu-z is good for seeing if your are running it stock like it should be

the northbridge chipset handles the video so keep a close eye on it

Edited by DaChew, 21 January 2008 - 04:01 PM.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 10:43 PM

I tried out the demo version of everest ultimate, and wasn't exactly sure what to try so I did the system stability test. Within 10 minutes the cpu was about where you expected (60), but it didn't go up again after that, and I stopped it after half an hour. I also tried downloading the demo version of 3dmark06 and it ran as well as I expected with no hitches. I also downloaded cpu-z but wasn't sure what to do with it. I'm also not sure what you meant by the northridge chipset.

I'm a bit new when it comes to the details of a computer, as I'm sure you noticed. I tried getting help from friends from work, but most people I know are very...opinionated...and I find that that sometimes causes them to not be as helpful as I would like.

Also - garmanma - I don't know what you mean about thermal compound. I do use canned air to clean the computer on a regular basis, but I'll try out the things from that link more thoroughly when I have time.

I appreciate the help you guys gave and would appreciate any other ideas.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:17 AM

OK. So I had tried doing a bunch of tests, and I was going to start the game, then wait 5-10 minutes and get temps.

So, I start the game, and tell it to detect optimal settings. Keep in mind that at this point the game has been up for less than one minute. Here's what happened while it was detecting:


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I no longer think this is heating (since it happened so soon after the game started) but I'm completely confused. Thanks in advance for any help anyone has to offer.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:24 AM

regarding memory timings, here's an example from everest, I have highlighted the pertiment parts

CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 2249.97 MHz
CPU Multiplier 9.0x
CPU FSB 250.00 MHz (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 25%)
Memory Bus 250.00 MHz

CPU Cache:
L1 Code Cache 64 KB (Parity)
L1 Data Cache 64 KB (ECC)
L2 Cache 512 KB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 63-1408-000001-00101111-063005-K8T800P$A0036001_BIOS DATE: 06/30/05 17:34:14 VER: 08.00.09
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)

Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset VIA K8T800Pro, AMD Hammer
Memory Timings 2.5-4-4-10 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 1T

SPD Memory Modules:
DIMM1: Micron Tech. 256 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM (2.5-4-4-10 @ 250 MHz) (2.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Micron Tech. 256 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM (2.5-4-4-10 @ 250 MHz) (2.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)


I spent a lot of time setting this memory up

of course it was worth it, after 2 years few systems catch it
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 08:13 AM

Just guessing here - but have you uninstalled your video drivers and then reinstalled the latest, certified one's from the ATI website? Have you tried another video card to see if it's a physical problem with the card?
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 11:45 PM

So, it turns out it was a driver issue after all.

I had tried uninstalling/reinstalling them several times before (the last time being less than a week ago). It seems that some file had gotten corrupted during the initial install a year ago, and whenever I uninstalled - it didn't delete that file. Someone advised me to open task manager and end a few processes before trying to uninstall again. I did so, then reinstalled - and now everything works just fine.

Thanks again for all your help guys.

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 09:39 AM

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out. Not long ago it was usually recommended that you run an uninstaller to ensure that all traces of the video drivers were gone (this was a huge problem with nVidia drivers but ATI also had it's issues). As driver development progressed this step fell out of favor - it looks like it may become necessary again! :thumbsup:
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Posted 26 January 2008 - 10:09 PM

Thanks for posting your solution It will help us and other forum posters in the future :thumbsup:
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