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Trying To Build Killer Gaming Pc


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#1 kempec98

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:34 PM

Hey all,

I have been building computers for a little while now and am looking to finally build my killer gaming rig. I just have some questions. I'm getting the http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16819115001 as my processor but do not know what would be the best mobo for it.

These are the items that are going to be in my rig:

Tower: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16811119103

Power unit: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16817153055

Hard drives(x2 in RAID 0): http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16822136033

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16820145176

Graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16814130072, waiting to see if the new ATI R600 will be better so this might change

Case fans(x5): http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16811999145

Any help would be greatly appreciated and if there is anything in my setup that would make this system even better or correct any mistakes that I have made in my choices of products please give me the info.

Thanks for your time.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:44 PM

buy this cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115028

get 2 8800GT's and a physics card with the money saved and then you'll have a killer gaming computer, but buy faster ram
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 05:00 PM

I have been building computers for a little while now and am looking to finally build my killer gaming rig. I just have some questions. I'm getting the http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16819115001 as my processor but do not know what would be the best mobo for it.

The X6800 is kinda old by now. DaChews option is a better choice. If you want to keep the SLI option open then an nVidia board like this is the choice: ASUS P5N32-E SLI.

Power unit: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16817153055

Unless your building a crazy tripple SLI setup with scorching overclocks you don't need 1200W power. A PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 QUAD is the best power supply out there, and also bigger than what your machine will need.

Hard drives(x2 in RAID 0): http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16822136033

RAID 0 doesn't help in a gaming machine. Gaming load times depend on good caching algorithms and random access time, neither of which RAID 0 improves. Also, unless you also get a dedicated hardware RAID controller it will just slow you down by forcing your CPU to waste cycles on doing RAID instead of running the game. Truth to be told the Raptors are getting old. Western Digital hasn't released a new one for quite a while. A Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 will offer almost the same performance, and much more space.

Graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16814130072, waiting to see if the new ATI R600 will be better so this might change

DaChew is right. The 8800GT is only 10%-15% slower than an 8800GTX and you can get two of those for the price of a 8800GTX. ATI's R600 came out last spring and was really underwhelming. Based on the road maps they showed on their Analyst's Day it seems they haven't got a new architecture coming out until 2009.

Case fans(x5): http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16811999145

If your going to buy separate case fans, get some really good case fans, like SilenX iXtreme Pro or Scythe S-Flex.

If you want the ultimate gaming rig you might want to look into stuff like PhysX cards and sound cards, as well.

Edited by Mr Alpha, 20 December 2007 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 06:42 PM

Thanx guys for the great info. I do have just a few more questions though. I took a look at the ASUS P5N32-E SLI mobo and read some of the reviews and a lot of people were saying they were getting their mobo's DOA and the other reviews were not that great. Just curious if this is still the route I should go? What kind of faster memory should I get as I am not really well versed in that tech knowledge base. One last thing, I was reading up on the Physc X cards and a lot of people are saying they are not worth the price as there are not many games that support them and that somtimes crashes games. Are these cards actually worth it? Thanks again for any help you guys can give.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:12 PM

the physX is relatively new technology and can be added later

http://www.ageia.com/physx/videos.html

the reality is quite impressive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....mp;Order=RATING

all these are cas 4, faster than your cas 5
you take a bit hit for price and some for performance with the larger sticks
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 06:51 AM

There has been a lot of discussion about the worth of the PhysX card. It is suffering from a chicken and egg problem. Not a lot of game developers bother to support the PhysX card unless many gamers have them, and not many gamers bother to get them unless many games support them. Now, there seems to be three thing in favor of the PhysX card that may tip the scales:
  • The big alternative to the PhysX card, GPU physics, where you do physics on a second graphics card, has just died and been put on hold. I won't be back until DriectX 11, and that will be bound to the next version of Windows. Windows 7 is still many years off.
  • Unreal Engine 3.0 (used in Unreal Tournament 3, amongst other things) just got updated with PhysX hardware support, so any of the 200+ companies that license the engine now has the technology needed to add PhysX hardware support to their games.
  • BFG is running a $60 MIR, so one can now pick it up for $99.
P5N32-E SLI was one of the first motherboards based on the nForce 680i chipset and so suffered all the relater early tech adopting problems. By now it has been out almost a year and all that has gotten sorted out. The DOA problem is, I'm afraid, shared by all manufacturers and all motherboards. It seems to me it has gotten more common lately, as well. But if you don't fancy the ASUS one, the Gigabyte GA-N680SLI-DQ6 makes a good alternative.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 08:27 AM

go with an SLI gpu option and the CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820145034)

my friend always ran SLI since it was first introduced and i put these sticks in to see if being SLI certified made any difference what so ever

seemed to boost performance a ton, and it was a minimal upgrade from what he already had. or the sticks are just that good.

Edited by Grdn1014, 21 December 2007 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:00 AM

the big performance impact of lower cas ram and even the micron d chipsets used in premium ram come into play at the higher bus speeds when the longer memory pipeline for intel cpu's is shortened, premium cpu's or overclocked ones really benefit, sometimes the cpu won't even overclock unless the ram can handle it.

when i started pushing my amd64 which is much more particular with it's on chip memory controller, the use of premium low cas ram became a necessity. My tests showed less ram running faster beating more ram that ran slower.

it's all about balance in the force(or bottlenecks)


Most of my motherboards have been refurbs that were bleeding edge and returned as doa/defective/etc, I clear cmos, read the manual and set bios up right and rarely have a problem, love asus.

Edited by DaChew, 21 December 2007 - 09:10 AM.

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 08:07 PM

DaChew,

Just curious should I get just 2GB of http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....MP=AFC-Bleeping or go for the 4GB? I really want to be well prepaired for a couple of years down the road and I am seeing that most games are already better off with 2GB of RAM. Thanks again for the help.

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 10:18 PM

after reading this article I would go for 4 1 gig sticks

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13375/2

you will want to run vista 64 and maybe a dual boot with a 32 bit OS
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