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Building My First Computer


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#1 Adam99

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 01:35 PM

Hello,
I have picked parts for a computer that I would like to build. I had a friend help me pick out the parts, but he doesn't know about one thing. Here are links to my processor and motherboard:

Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103866
Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131163

My question relates to the "Socket Type." On the motherboard, it says that the socket type is "AM2," but on the processor it says "Socket F (1207 FX)." I am wondering if these pieces are compatable with each other. While looking for processor/motherboards that had the same socket type, I couldnt find a motherboard with a socket type "Socket F" but I could find some that had "Socket L (1207)"

Also, just because my friend who is helping me make this is by far not an expert, I was wanting any opinion any of you might have about my prospective future setup (this will be on Vista):

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811119122
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130300
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817341006
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820104001
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136012
Physics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814121015
CD/DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106072


Also, after looking for Processors with an AM2 socket type, I found this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103773

Any opinions you have on this system would be great, I'm building it to play such games as SC2 and Quake Wars.

Thank you.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 01:55 PM

First of all in my opinion it looks like your friend and just went through new egg and pick out the most expensive bleep they have.

I have a topic right below yours Building my First Comp

Honestly the comp im building i personally think is going to be really nice and be able to play most games without costing alot of $$$$$$.

Since its your money i think it would be best if you did some research and figure out for yourself exactly what you need because i think it will save you alot of money.

Also Try shoping on PCClub.com i got my Cooler Master Centurion 5 case for free after rebates which is a $60 value and you are still able to get it off of there now on sale for $30 bucks or so. Also i got my Thermaltake 430W Power supply $12 after rebates.

Here is a few deals on PcClub.com. Not sure but you might be interested in some and they have alot of stores so they might have one in your area otherwise they will ship it to you.

PC-Club CoolerMaster Centurion 5 $29.99

CoolerMaster 500W Extreme PC Club $4.99

Thermaltake 430W Power Supply PC Club $19.99

Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS Case PC Club $69.99

I just go between PcClub and NewEgg for my stuff


If you read enough about the subject you will be suprised how much your will learn and i personally just went to yahoo and searched "how to build a pc" and stuff like that. They have alot of articles that explain in detal of how to do it and what to look for and it overall will help you know what you need to buy.

Edited by Lucky23, 28 November 2007 - 03:05 PM.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 02:16 PM

Your friend picked out a power supply $300. My comp TOTAL might cost $400-450 without Opperating System.

Plus he picked you out 1000W power supply. Even if you were going to run SLI, which i think only a couple of games might require it, i think a really good 500W or 600W will be fine and even if the power supply only has 1 PCIE connector like my thermaltake 430w they will give you an adapter with your graphics card so that you can make 2-4pin connectors into a PCIE conection.

Anyways what games are you planning on playing or trying to play?

What exactly do you need to do with your comp?

Also My Cooler Master Centurion 5 case is not SLI rated or whatever but it has just as 7 expansion slots which is exactly the same amount on your case and i would be able to run SLI if i wanted to. Overall though the case he picked out for you is very nice and has alot of options but its all in what you need.

Also 10,000 RPM Hard drives are nice especially with the 16mb of cashe and i was going to get one untill i found out they were only like 150GB like this one. Thats why i decide to drop the RPM to 7200 and still have 16MB cashe but get a 250-320 GB for like $70-80 bucks?

Also i think on the system im building i will be able to play Quake wars no problem.

System Requirements
SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS

Supported OS: Microsoft® Windows® XP/Vista (Windows 95/98/ME/2000 are unsupported)
DirectX Version: Microsoft DirectX® 9.0c (included)
HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS

Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 2.8 GHz or AMD® Athlon™ XP 2800+ processor (Pentium 4 3.0GHz or equivalent for Windows Vista)
RAM: 512MB RAM (768MB for Windows Vista)
Graphics: 128MB NVIDIA® Geforce™ 5700 or ATI™ Radeon™ 9700 (full list of supported chipsets below)
Sound: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
Hard Drive: 5GB of free hard drive space, plus 700MB for Windows swap file
Broadband connection and service required for full gameplay and downloads. Features may change without notice.

SUPPORTED VIDEO CHIPSETS

NVIDIA GeforceFX Series (5700 or higher, not including 5700LE and 5700VE)
NVIDIA Geforce 6 Series (6200 or higher)
NVIDIA Geforce 7 Series (7300 or higher)
NVIDIA Geforce 8 Series
ATI Radeon 9700 or higher
ATI Radeon X700 or higher
ATI Radeon X1650 or higher

Edited by Lucky23, 28 November 2007 - 02:20 PM.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:16 PM

Thank you for the quick responses.

As for the power supply, I have read through some internet sites, as well as building stuff on alienware.com, it seems like if you ever wanted to put another gfx card in (something I am leaving open to see if I want to later on), I will need a 1000 watt power supply. If Im wrong here, a correction would be great, because I dont want a real loud power supply.

Also, for the games I am wanting to be able to play them at kinda higher settings. I've always been using low end computers, and now that i am building my own I want to not only be able to play current games at great settings, but also future games at good ones as well.

As for the hard drive, I dont really care about size as much, as I plan on buying a second drive to store work related stuff on (as to insure it doesnt get lost permanitly) which will be slower. I do want the 10,000 WD raptor drive.

I did however find this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103191
Processor/power supply combo. The sale ends in a couple days, so any advice on wether or not thats a good deal would be great (mostly to determine if the processor is okay, since it doesnt have a heatsink/fan included)

Thanks

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:28 PM

Well this would be the best way to find out. Go to this link and put in everything you think you will do plus future upgrades and it will tell you what kind of power supply wattage you need.

Power Supply Calculator-Doesnt have to be an antec power supply.

I did a quick calculation but not sure if i got in everything you want and it said around 490watts or so but even if you added in more then i put in it still might come out to a max of 600W-650W.

Give it a shot

I did my system and it said i only needed about 330watts

Edited by Lucky23, 28 November 2007 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:43 PM

Lucky23,
Using that link you provided it looks like I should be fine with a 600ish power supply (my calculations said recomended rating of 550). Any idea why companies such as Alienware require you to upgrade to the 1000 Watt powersupply when you get double graphics cards?

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:45 PM

Thank you for the quick responses.

As for the power supply, I have read through some internet sites, as well as building stuff on alienware.com, it seems like if you ever wanted to put another gfx card in (something I am leaving open to see if I want to later on), I will need a 1000 watt power supply. If Im wrong here, a correction would be great, because I dont want a real loud power supply.

Also, for the games I am wanting to be able to play them at kinda higher settings. I've always been using low end computers, and now that i am building my own I want to not only be able to play current games at great settings, but also future games at good ones as well.

As for the hard drive, I dont really care about size as much, as I plan on buying a second drive to store work related stuff on (as to insure it doesnt get lost permanitly) which will be slower. I do want the 10,000 WD raptor drive.

I did however find this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103191
Processor/power supply combo. The sale ends in a couple days, so any advice on wether or not thats a good deal would be great (mostly to determine if the processor is okay, since it doesnt have a heatsink/fan included)

Thanks


Yea sorry i didnt know that you were going to be running a second HD so in that case then the 10,000 rpm will be sweet.

What games besides quake wars cuz im currently playing games like CS-source, team fortress 2 and im planning on getting half life 2 and quake wars as soon as my system is done.

But for most of these game if your running a geforce 8 series you should be almost above requirements.
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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:50 PM

Have no idea unless they just want you to buy there stuff. I think you just go by that calculator and youll be fine. I think the good power supply are like 16 Amps at 12Volts and up.

Heres my thermaltake 18A at 12V
+3.3V@20A, +5V@30A, +12V@18A, -5V@0.5A, -12V@0.8A +5VSB@2A

I think thats how it works

Edited by Lucky23, 28 November 2007 - 03:51 PM.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:51 PM

Lucky23,
Quake Wars is one I'm pretty excited to play, but I also want to get SC2 when it comes out, and Supreme Commander. Also, I've considered Crysis, although I've heard its very overrated.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:54 PM

Well ive heard crysis and a few others are pretty advanced so you might need SLI for that but i mainly play online games so a 8600GTS should be plenty of G-card for those games.

I would just search around for the system requirements on games and ask some of the other guys here cuz they should know if you need SLI or not.
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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:56 PM

Overall the system your friend wrote up is a good system but i just wasnt sure what you were looking to do with it
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Posted 28 November 2007 - 03:59 PM

Do you have any input on how hard a heat sink/fan would be to install if I grab this combo deal from newegg?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103191

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 04:08 PM

Its not hard. You i think have to have the motherboard out to install i think. There is a plate that goes on the back side of Motherboard and you should have four screws or pins that are hooked to the heatsink/fan that will lock into that backing plate. Then just plug the fan in

AM2 heatsinks-I think these are the ones that will work for you

They have some though that fit the AM2 and other AMD sockets

Edited by Lucky23, 28 November 2007 - 04:11 PM.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 04:27 PM

Alright, thanks for your help. Just as a recap, my system is looking like:

Processor (w/ Power Supply combo) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103191
Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131163
Physics Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814121015
Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130300
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820104001
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811119122 (I think I'll stick with this case due to "SLI ready" and the multiple side fan slots)
Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136012
Back-Up Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136062
CD/DVD Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106072

As a final question, how does the motherboard look? Does it seem like it will be something that will be good for a while, or is it on the close to outdatted side?

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 04:32 PM

Looks sweet i like the copper northbridge and southbrige cooler. I dont think you will go wrong with that!
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