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#1 AwesomeTrent

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 07:54 PM

Hello, My computer became full and I decided to install another hard drive, but before I could do that I needed to get a cable that could connect to 2 harddrives and the motherboard. I went to the store and got one, I opened up the computer and took out the old cable and put the new one in it's place connecting it back to the origional hard drive, now when I start the computer up it says,

Master Boot Record Error

Press a Key.
DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER


did just changing the cable somehow wipe the hard drive? I had looked up some info on changing hard drives and It didn't warn about anything like this.


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 08:01 PM

No, but your computer now thinks that your new disk is the boot disk. You either have to set the jumper on the new disk to slave, or you need to make sure that your disks are plugged into the proper part of the cable. This is known as cable select. The master disk goes on the end plug, and the slave drive goes in the middle plug. I personally have never had any luck with the cable select method, so I just make sure the jumpers are set properly.

Just swap where each of the hard drives is plugged in and see if that works. If not, then you will have to make the jumpers are properly set on the drives.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 08:11 PM

Thank God! I have some file backup disks but they are from May... (now I'm going to make a fresh set)

ok, now on to the next tidbit I need, what do I need to do to make the *new* hard drive work correctly (be sure do dumb it down a bit for me, I'm a layman.



*- it's not really new, It's one of the spare ones my dad had laying around.


p.s. thank you very much for that groovicus, (and thanks for your quick reply)

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 08:34 PM

On the back of the drive is a series of pins and a plastic jumper. The original hard drive should have it's jumper set to master with slave present (or simply master) and the new one should be set to slave. Usually there's a diagram on the drive There's a picture of what I'm talking about here
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"- it's not really new, It's one of the spare ones my dad had laying around."
Is it a formatted drive or is there something on it?

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 08:42 PM

I had these drives checked (my dad passed away so I can't ask him) and the person said there is nothing on it (but If I should do something to it to make sure, let me know.)


I'm setting the jumper now, I'll need to restart and will be back on in a few minutes

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:06 PM

ok, I set the jumper (it showed the jumper on the diagram but said it was a "spare jumper" but I put it there anyway) the computer doesn't say "new hardware installed, and there is no new drive listed in my computer, although the computer startup did seem to go a bit slower than normal.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:28 PM

how do you have each drive connected and jumpered, what exactly is the system drive?

you might need to go into bios

you are not giving any details here?

that guide is a very incomplete
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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:32 PM

are you referring to me dachew?

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:46 PM

So the problem here is too many people giving conflicting advice. There is no need to go into the bios. I have yet to have to do anything in the bios in order to get a system to see a drive. Once the jumpers are set properly it will work just fine.

Spare jumper is not the same as setting the jumper to slave. There is no mystery here. As garmanma already stated, the main drive, the one with your operating system on it should be either set to master, or master with slave. If you can not figure it out from the diagram on the case of the hard-drive, then you will need to get the model from the label on the hard drive and look it up. Once you are sure that you have the correct setting, then do the same thing with the second drive. It needs to be set to slave and nothing else. If you can't figure out how to set the jumpers, post back with models and we will help you figure it out.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:54 PM

I was thinking there was a western digital involved as system drive and it was jumpered standalone master

several models of dell computers set dma manually in bios

xxxxxxxxxx dvd burner(master) on top
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x shorter section
x
xxxxxxxxxxx other optical drive(slave)
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x longer section
x
x
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x
x
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xxxxxxxxxx Motherboard



position of the drives on the cable can also cause problems

Edited by DaChew, 17 November 2007 - 09:56 PM.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:13 PM

no dice, I set the main drive into "master or single drive" and the 2nd drive into slave. there is another option on the main drive called "master with a non ATA compatible slave" should I try it with that?

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:49 PM

what's the model number and brand of the master drive?
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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:59 PM

seagate st340015a

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 11:06 PM

It sounds like this is a Seagate hdd, if it is take a look at this.

Near the top of the page there is a link titled "Jumper settings for Seagate ATA hard drives", if you click on this it will show you a very good diagram of the jumper setting that are explained on the first page.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 11:17 PM

the master setting should have worked, there's no option for standalone like with western digital

does bios see the slave drive?? or post when booting(use pause break key)

if bios sees the drive then go into disk management and see if windows sees it there?

it might not be formated/partitioned?

could even be a linux drive?
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