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#1 ryan_w_quick

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:43 PM

here is a link so that you can see it

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

For those who have seen this movie, is it valid? Or, are SOME parts of it valid? Or, is it a complete work of garbage?

If someone could fill me in, or just point me to some reading, (and please don't reference the bible to me, CGM), that would be very helpful.

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#2 jgweed

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 10:33 AM

Films are what they are, and cannot provide (much like TV news) the kinds of details needed to make an informed and intelligent decision, so you must trust the research. I took a look at the referenced documentation and at least in the areas of my expertise, it is far from authoritive.
Certainly maintaining a skeptical attitude, especially about recent events, is commendable, but the other side of the coin is the necessity of taking the time to ascertain the best and most reliable sources, and understanding the criteria for judging them.
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 12:01 PM

Its a bunch of poo poo in my opinion...but then I am biased because I love Jesus Christ. The majority of their claims (at least the ones I have heard about in passing, are easily refuted as junk. None of it changes who God is, and why Jesus died and rose again.


The sources of which they use have zero credibility (at least from an academic perspective.) These people have zero understanding of Christianity. As I always say (the Bible said it first), the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.


Anyway, hope you enjoyed the video. I wouldn't care to watch it, Im sure its the same drivel that has been echoed for centuries.

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 01:48 PM

Statement link, last line just before 'Thank You' captured the essence rather nicely IMHO: "That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized."

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 06:05 PM

I am reminded of the ancient Greek aphorism:

"The truth is hard to find" (or often, "Truth always hides herself").

Since the topics in the film deal with history and historical facts and historical interpretations of facts, I would think that one should consult historians who have been trained in historical methodology and who specialise in the areas in the film and can discuss the original sources. The answers these writers give will not be simplistic or reductionalist, but will explore both different interpretations, and indicate the richness of the material.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 08:03 PM

I really think you have to take all three parts of the film individually. They have very little in common other than they are all in this one film. Regarding this, I believe that you can have your own opinions and beliefs about the first two parts of the film, but personally, I believe that what is told in the first two parts make a hell of a lot more sense than anything else I have come across.

Yet the majority of what is told in Part 3 I found out watching a television show many years ago. It is part of a series called Phenomenon: The Lost Archives and the show is called Monopoly Men. It first aired in 1998, nearly 10 years ago. Here is a link to the video at Google Videos Phenomenon: Monopoly Men Go ahead, watch and compare those 2 videos (part 3 of Zeitgeist and Monopoly men). Try to keep in mind that they are nearly 10 years apart. That is what I find so riveting and fascinating about Zeitgeist.

Edited by megalo, 21 October 2007 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 10:29 PM

This documentary contains many many many many false statements. Many of the things stated in this movie are from books written by people who do not have any evidence at all to back these statements up. But, many things in this documentary are true (9/11 Conspiracy FACTS and the New World Order). The first part of the movie is not all entirely fact and many of the statements cant be proven.

Edited by snowman972, 15 August 2008 - 10:31 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:30 PM

but what i think is funny about this arguement, all the people who believe in Jesus Christ argue that you cannot prove any of the information in the Zeitgeist movie about religion. But can you prove any of the information in the Bible? can you prove your religion at all? NO.

so its an equal argument. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:52 AM

Can we know which are the areas of your expertise John? If you don´t say anything about them, what you say in your post #2 is too vague because no one knows which are the areas that you are an expert and, so, can be everything what the movie shows.
Regards.

Edited by Darthy, 27 March 2010 - 11:01 AM.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 11:36 AM

tl;dw, i read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie

Zeitgeist: the Movie
Part I: agree on most points (obviously), disagree on some details.

Part II: there are much easier and cheaper methods for a government to orchestrate a "war on terror", nuff said.

Part III: I lol-ed, did you? (conspiracy theory is conspiracy theory)

Zeitgeist: Addendum
Part I: Invisible Hand of the market?

Part II: again, lol wut

Part III: Agree a lot, to clarify, politics can't solve it due to them taking the easy way out each time, just take a look at Copenhagen.

Part IV: LOL WUT

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 01:02 PM

The word 'Resonate' has been popping up a lot in my research lately... With all it's uses and implications.

When I (seldom) watch a movie or (frequently) read a book, I take what 'resonates' with me. Facts usually are anything but, most often they can't stand on their own because they are standing so slanted to one direction or the other.

Distractions and slight of hand... smoke and mirrors... intentional or not... most of what is put out for us to see or to read just distracts us from thinking about what really matters... separating us, heads or tails, it's all part of the same coin... the bigger picture.

What is going on around here... socio-politically speaking? Whatever it is... it is an... unrest we are feeling. That something is, not necessarily *wrong*... but, somehow, not quite right.

It's a path Ryan... this movie is the first of many you will see. Gauge them with your internal BS meter... does it resonate? Bits and pieces seem to fit together... so dig into it... keep following the threads that lead you down your path. It's not so very important whether or not the facts contain any relevant truth, as something, in that movie struck a chord... resonated... see where that takes you.

Research. It would be pure laziness to take anything ANYONE says as *fact* without researching it. There are experts out there who are willing to talk about their favorite subjects for free.

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I was passing through Lansing MI and had to stop at the college. One of the guys who dreamt up the Hadron Collider was standing right in front of me. I didn't know much about it... seriously, I was ignorant. (Ignorance is curable)

I asked a question, he started talking. I interrupted him to go get my notebook, not quite prepared... but WOW, an interesting conversation!

I am not so much interested in slamming hadrons into each other... as I am about the workings of the universe... or the *multiverse* as it is beginning to be called. I follow the threads that lead me on my path. I check everything out, pick up what I need, what resonates... I chuck out the rest, and walk on.

I doubt there is a book (or movie) in existence that is 100% acurate. (No offence, but the bible included) erroneous facts do not disprove the entire book. Had we tossed out everything Newton, Einstein or Plato said because they were wrong about a few of the details, I shudder to think where civilization would be.

What I mean is, 'when the student is ready, the teacher arrives'.
Take what you can,
And try to find like-minded people, open minded people to discuss it with.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:08 AM

I watched it a while back. I didn't even pay any attention to the second and third sections, since it was clear from the start that it was a conspiracy theory.

Regarding the first section the facts are completely bogus, and the arguments are worse.
See this or thisfor a more detailed look at the notion that Christianity pinched everything. I'll also copy out my comment on the former about a few of the fallacies.


"A cartoonified God is a straw man attack, yet still far more impressive because it’s more interesting than a list of Egyptian, Persian, or Greek deities. So too is an anticlimactic punch line “But he loves you”.

Accounts of God as grasping or vengeful, as well as the inevitable lack of consideration or even substantiation, are little more than an ad hominem attack.

Worst of all, the film makes a great deal of “the sUn of God rising from the dead, just as he’s done…”. In other words the final keystone argument is based on an English (not even Greek or Hebrew) homo-phonic pun!"
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