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#1 rocketman

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 08:30 PM

A FRIEND HAS OFFERED TO HELP BUILD WHATEVER I WANT. I NEED SERIOUS ADVICE ON HARDWARE SELECTION. MONEY IS NOT AN OBJECT HERE. I DOWNLOAD AND BURN LOTS OF MUSIC; I DJ; AND PERFORM VARIOUS OTHER WORK RELATED WORD PROCESSES, AS WELL AS KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THE STOCK MARKET. I HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO GO WITH EITHER THE DFI LANPARTY 925X-T2 W/INTEL PENTIUM 4 5703 PROCESSOR, OR ASUS A8N-SL1 DELUXE nFORCE4 W/AMD ATHLON 64 FX55 PROCESSOR. I NEED IDEAS ON FAST LARGE HARD DRIVES; HOW MANY;AUDIO AND VIDEO CARDS; AN EXPLANATION OF PCI EXPRESS, AND MY NEEDS THERE ETC. ETC. ETC. WOULD SOMEONE BE WILLING TO TAKE ME THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, EXPLAINING THINGS ALONG THE WAY? ANY HELP IS MOST APPRECIATED. :thumbsup:

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 10:43 PM

Well I just built my first pc system but money was a object but I know how to shop so I got a AMD 64 3200 with heatsink and fan for 217.00 delivered.

Since you say money is no object do you mean your looking to get the best parts on the market?

It would be easy for me to pick out the most expensive parts to date but is there any money limit?

I will go ahead and say what I think you should do if you want to spend around 2000.00 for a new pc.

I would go for the AMD 64 FX for one. AMD is a great CPU and there cpu's run so much cooler than Pentium or Intel.

My CPU runs at 104 farenheight all the time.

As for a video card this one seems to have good reviews and I like it. I love ATI cards and use them in my pcs!

The ATI all in one Wonder cards are also good but if money is no object here is a card for you. Also made by ATI:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-102-468&depa=1

As for a hard drive you will want it as big as you can get it(if no money is a object wish I had your money)
Here is a very fast sata hard drive 400gb:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-148-063&depa=1

And for ram I dont know yet as for a motherboard but I put in a MSI KT8 FIR and it accepts pc3200 and pc2700 so here is a 1gb stick of good ram I suggest 2 1gb sticks of it.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-221-004&depa=1

These are just a few ideas so far tell me what you think. Im sure others will want to have there say in this so this is just my opinion.

Here is a nice lcd monitor!! Great for gaming, maybe if you want to go all out you will get that video card I linked to and two of these lcd monitors to make a dual monitor system?
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-001-160&DEPA=1

Hope you like these items! I will say were here to help to the end of your pc making! If you need any help just ask!

You asked for a sound card I suggest that you get the best motherboard possible that has 6 channel audio on it. Thats what mine has and its great! Or spend more and get 8 channel audio?

Here is another good part. A nice dvd burner/cd burner take a look:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-028&depa=1

I would go for XP pro OEM version here is a link:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-102-153&DEPA=6

Here is a link to the AMD 64 Fx-53 CPU at newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-103-459&depa=1

A good motherboard with good features and 8 channel audio:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-131-517&depa=1

I would go for a water cooled case to make sure all of these fast parts stay going long and strong:
http://www.xoxide.com/watcoolcas.html

Well I hope maybe I have helped a bit. I will stay in touch see you around.

Edited by cowsgonemadd3, 07 February 2005 - 11:00 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2005 - 11:01 PM

THANKS SO MUCH. I'M LOOKING TO SPEND $5,000 TOPS. I WELCOME ALL INPUT AS I AM NEW TO THIS AND DON'T WANT TO BE SORRY AFTER THE FACT.

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 12:21 AM

May I say WOW! $5k for a pc? Can I ask what you will be doing with it? If you are going to spend 5000.00 then by all means get the best. Go for a water cooled case. And why not put 4gb of ram in your system? And go for 2 of those 400gb hard drives! Just remember hook one up master and one up as slave.

Is this going to be for work? Or some major gaming? I read a little of everything.....

I will be here to help you through the whole process along with a few others here too!

I would also go for a TV tuner card so you can watch tv and listen to the radio on your pc!
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-116-609&depa=0

Here is a power supply for your system a 700 watt with sata connector:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-103-714&depa=0

I just thought of something if you want to burn dvd's you will want to DVD burner drives. The one I linked to earlier I would get two of them. It makes burning dvd's faster! This way you won't have to send the dvd's contents to the hard driver first! Imagine putting 2 or more gb's on your hard drive then sending to the DVD it would take forever.

Here is a great keyboard/optical mouse kit. It is wireless and made by microsoft very good deal!
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-109-131&DEPA=0

I thought you might like this printer it has good reviews at newegg!
Its a all in one printer so it will do the Job!
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-103-162&DEPA=1

I suggest even if you get 1 hard drive you go for a hard drive cooler. There are many choices in this area like fanless and fan type. Here is a fanless type you may consider:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-129-240&depa=0

Well thats about 3900.00 or so now of pc parts. I think I got them all except a sound system. Here is the sound system I plan to buy(similar lol) maybe you might like it too!
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...12737&CatId=492

I hope I have helped you out in picking the pc parts out. Its up to you what to get though. All these parts are great and like the best out there so far.

Tell me if you have any more questions.

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:59 AM

any preference as to hard drives????? also, my frirend spoke of always using faster writers and drivers but didn't explain??? and what is the difference between internal and external on additional drives?????? oh yes, and an explanation of pci express would be most helpful.

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:03 PM

I will try my best to help you out here. I am not sure of PCI express because until yesterday when you mentioned it I had never heard of it. I did some research on it though and here is a link to a site on PCI express:

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1087


As for hard drives and speed I know about that. If you mean by preferences name brand I suggest MAXTOR or Western digital. But most name brands seem to be good. I have had good luck with both of those names though.

I linked to a good hard drive in one of my previous posts above. That hard drive is a sata hard drive and not just a normal IDE drive. Its a little faster.

Sata drives will be much faster than a normal IDE hard drive whether you see it or not. But if you want the most speed I have read a "Raptor" hard drive is the best! They spin at 10,000m rpm's for enhanced speed over most drives. But any drive spinning at 10,000 rpm's would do the job not just a raptor hard drive.

Like many brands make 10k rpm hard drives. I just now while looking for a link to a raptor hard drive:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ssPageName=WDVW

Found out that there are also 15,000 rpm hard drives! Hitachi makes them but only go up to 73gb on the fast drives and 146gb on the 10k rpm drives. Puting windows XP or Pro on the fast drive as master would be smart and the SATA drive(400gb much larger a little slower) for the storing of your files like MUSIC and Pictures.

A external hard drive for upgrades is a thought but if your looking for speed then you will not be happy. You can get a hard drive casing to make any hard drive external. It will then run through your USB 2.0 port. I would just go for as many internal drives as you can fit into your case.

I hope this has helped you if not just ask! Im ready to help and will continue as long as you need me to.

Edited by cowsgonemadd3, 08 February 2005 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:17 PM

If I may add, very good information CGM!! :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work!
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Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:30 PM

You should begin by determining what processor you will be using, find a mobo for it , and then determine a case that will fit it. Cases should be large (so you can get into them and work) and have at least two (better: four)fans to assure that you will not be overheating (faster processors, etc. run hotter), and an adequate power supply.
You might consider using TWO hard drives, keeping one for storage. Internal hard drives are faster to access than external, but do not have the portability that an external does (if you are going to use it for, say, any DJ kind of stuff, portability might be more important than access speed).
You will need at least 1 GIG of RAM to accomodate the operating system and any sort of video and audio manipulation you plan to do.
I cannot advise you on the sound card to purchase; best bet is to ask your peers.
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Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:42 PM

You should get a Turtle Beach Sound Card, they are known for their top of the line stuff, very expensive though, which doesnt seem to be a factor for you,

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/s...comparisons.asp

Look at the specs for each, I would recommend shooting down the middle, the Santa Cruz Is Best for Audio Editing, and Digital Music, the Catalina is more for Surround Sound Entertainment System Comp, they are both $50 So, you could just buy em both, since there is really no $$ budget. (5K more than enough, for your needs, 5K would be more commenly spent in servers).

Water Cooling I would not Reccomend, It doesnt provide that much cooler temputures, maybe a couple of degrees, and the risk of it F'in up, is too much, cuz it could F' up your 5K PC in no time flat.

Get an Back-Up Battery, and a HUGE Powersupply to really protect your investment.

I reccomend gettin an Antec PowerSupply they are known for their quality products.
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And an Back up Battery from APC

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However, I would ask around about back up batteries, because I am no expert on them, I do know however APC is a reliable, popular brand.

Edited by The Trip, 09 February 2005 - 12:07 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:25 PM

Do you really think a water cooled case would leak? I have never used one heard they do cool good. It was just a idea I guess do not worry about it. AMD cpu's run cool anyways.....

I was just about to post a battery backup system myself!!!

I found this really good one with a amazing amount of run time after the power goes out! It was made for a job computer system just like your building so here it is:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...61661&CatId=234

This is a 900watt UPS its a must for a new pc system. I had one I paid 189.00 for then 1 lightning storm fried it but my pc system is still alive too!

I left out another thing. You might want a webcam to keep in touch with family. Take a look at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-106-123&depa=0

Hope this helps.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 01:35 PM

YOU PEOPLE ARE TOO MUCH!!!!!!! :thumbsup: AFTER WEEKS OF THOUGHT I HAVE A START! INTEL PENTIUM 4 EE 3.46GHz 1066 MHz PROCESSOR WITH AN ASUS P5AD2-E PREMIUM i925XE MOTHERBOARD FOR THE LGA 775 CHIPSET. NEED AN EXPLANATION ON HARD DRIVES SCSI VS. SATA AT THIS POINT. BEEN RESEARCHING ALL OF THE VALUABLE SUGGESTIONS AND HAVING GREAT SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE GREAT!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 04:56 PM

What made you decide on a Pentium over the AMD 64 FX??

Glad you have a start. You might want to get a case soon if you do not have one. It will let you go ahead and put the parts in as you go.

As for SCSI VS SATA I think you will enjoy this:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles.php?id=19

Hope this helps any more questions just ask!

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 05:10 PM

:trumpet: YOU JUST ANSWERED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS ON MY HARD DRIVE IN ONE SWOOP!!!!!!!!! WANTED SATA DRIVES WITH NCQ BUT WAS WORRIED THAT SCSI MIGHT BE FASTER!!!! AGAIN, OFF TO WORK AND THANKS TOO MUCH!!!!!!!! :inlove: :flowers: :cool: :woot: :thumbsup:

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 05:29 PM

I am so Glad I am able to help you out here!

Anytime.....

If you have any more just ask. Your pc is going to be a good one I know that for sure!


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Posted 09 February 2005 - 06:56 PM

You should also get a surge protector...(I thought UPS's had one built in). So it wont fry your UPS, they are like $30 tops, you should know what they are.

A plug, that turns one outlet into many.




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