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Does Congress Deserve Automatic Pay Raises?


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Poll: Did you take action? (11 member(s) have cast votes)

Automatic Pay Raises for Congress

  1. Yes (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. No (11 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  3. Can't, but would (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 joygreen

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 12:38 AM

Please allow me to notify you of outrageous happenings in D.C. and give Americans the link to speak up! Everyone's welcomed to speak up, but to take action, these links require your zip code. Thank you for participating!

This first post is from RightMarch.com. It's to REPEAL automatic pay raises for Congress! This bill was introduced by a REPUBLICAN :thumbsup: Here is the link:
http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?al...916&type=CO


ALERT: How would you like to get an automatic pay raise every year?
Congress does. In fact, after it became a requirement that Congress had to vote on giving themselves a pay raise, they realized that could upset taxpayers -- so they instituted a way to get around having to vote on it.

Now members of Congress receive automatic annual cost-of-living-adjustments (COLA). Of course, every other federal employee, military and civilian, also receive COLAs. However, members of Congress aren't like other workers, in that one hundred percent of their costs, both for employment and office expenses, are borne by the taxpayers -- YOU AND ME; and right now, only 14% of taxpayers think Congress is doing a good job in terms of solving the problems we sent them to Washington to fix.

Under the circumstances, if Congress truly believes they deserve a raise, then they have an obligation to stand before the American people -- in the full light of day -- and say to us, "I think I have earned a pay raise, and here's why." It's wrong for them to avoid the opportunity to debate and vote on their COLA through the Houdini-like parliamentary sleight of hand we witnessed on this year's Fiscal Year 2008 Financial Services Appropriations bill.

Thankfully, Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) has introduced the "Members of Congress Personal Fiscal Responsibility Act" (H.R. 2916). H.R. 2916 is a stand-alone bill that eliminates the germaneness and point-of-order problems that interfere with bringing COLA amendments to Appropriations bill; and as such, would give Members the opportunity for straight up or down vote on the 2008 COLA.

It's time to STOP Congress from getting away with automatic pay raises, without having to vote on them and be held accountable by US -- the ones who PAY for it all!

TAKE ACTION: The 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, written by founding father James Madison, states, "No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened."

Members of Congress -- both Democrats AND Republicans -- are getting around the U.S. Constitution by playing parliamentary games with OUR money. The American people deserve a full and fair debate, and a straight up-or-down vote on the Congressional COLA.

H.R. 2916 is not an effort to criticize or demean the hard work of the good people who serve in Congress. Nor is it an effort to disparage the views of those on either side of the COLA debate. And this isn't about partisan attack politics. It's about showing respect to the people of this country who elected them in the first place.

It's time to stop the games and play straight with the American people. Click "(the link above" to send a FREE message to your Congressman, asking him or her to support H.R. 2916, the "Members of Congress Personal Fiscal Responsibility" Act.
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#2 ussr1943

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:08 PM

Personally I think congress shouldn't get paid at all, they are providing a service to our nation, and if they must be paid to do it they aren't really interested in making our country better, just in the money. I've already said numerous times what I think about congress. As for the member introducing this bill, it doesn't matter if they are DEM or REP, seriously, if you're working in the greater good for our nation without trampling rights your fine by me, do your job and keep out of political affiliations is my motto. If anything congress hasn't done much anyways, so they shouldn't deserve any kind of reward.

Face it, they get paid to bicker all day, come to no consensous, go home, and drink a beer, who pays for this?

Us.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 12:43 PM

I agree with the both of you. Congress has done a few good things, but not everyone there now deserves as much as they get.

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:22 AM

I agree with the both of you. Congress has done a few good things, but not everyone there now deserves as much as they get.


Besides, they are millionaires to begin with. Have you ever noticed how much they spend campaining??? :thumbsup:
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 01:50 AM

Thank you all for responding. I've asked to have this forum removed. It's an American discussion in an international forum which has not gotten the action I'd hoped for. Besides, Bleeping's very intelligent and computer-friendly crowd can and probably have already joined the activist sites in which they will participate.

I need to figure a way to reach people who count on mainstream media for their news. Unfortunately MSM is very lopsided and anti-American. Again, I appreciate your participation Yano and USSR and Wildabeast.

For a quick update, a bill has been proposed in both Houses to eliminate the IRS and income tax. We got along fine without it and it gives legislators far too much money that distracts them from providing the homeland security we need. www.fairtax.org is conducting the good fight to eliminate the IRS.

Congress is discussing whether *dogs* should be legal deductions for income tax purposes. When we have 800,000 Americans arrested each year on Cannabis persecution, yet claim that there are not enough jailbeds for the violent felons crossing the border illegally, we must identify the legislators who are failing to uphold the Constitution and prosecute them. When district attorneys spend time prosecuting sick people with legal prescriptions, and this weed is demonized although it can provide food, fuel and fiber all without water and fertilizers, provide an excellent rotation crop for farmers and a safer alternative to alchohol for relation, and narcotics for pain management we must identify why the government would oppose this mild-mannered natural resource. Politicians, not scientists, are deciding where our alternative fuels are coming from and demanding that certain corporations provide selected items "or else".

America is under siege. Our very existence is at stake. The enemy is among us and so misguided as to think that murder will provide them rewards in their next life. Groups of Americans still feel disconnected from the general population because of certain people who keep the paranoia alive for their own selfish interests.

I'll be seeing you around. And as always, I never intend to insult anyone except those who would destroy me and my Nation. That includes the politicians who want to erase America's borders and create some "North American Union". Danger abounds. We must call attention to the people and tell current legislators that we want our America back the way it was before the left and some horribly corrupt politicians decided to give it away .
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 06:37 AM

Sounds like you have alot of gripes about America currently, now I'm not saying thats a bad thing, have you joined any political activist groups?

America is under siege. Our very existence is at stake. The enemy is among us and so misguided as to think that murder will provide them rewards in their next life. Groups of Americans still feel disconnected from the general population because of certain people who keep the paranoia alive for their own selfish interests.


joygreen.... do we really have to go here again?

"Lets break it down, "America is under siege"
please explain, do you mean illegal immigration? poor congress duties? what?

"Our very existence is at stake"
really, so if we take no action America will stop existing, yet you haven't said what you think will make America to not exist. You have to realize America has been through the revolution in which rag tags beat trained soldiers, then we went through the civil war, then we went through a few other wars incl. ww1, ww2, korea, vietnam, gulf war 1, and currently the war on terroism and rebuilding Iraq. Yet still we exist, we are a tough nation, it would take alot to turn us belly up.

"The enemy is among us and so misguided as to think that murder will provide them rewards in their next life."
Here we go, once more, my question here joy is.......
Who is the enemy? It sure sounds like Muslims, because I know I haven't heard this one before. Even if it isn't Muslims then who are you reffering to? and why put all of one group in one basket?

"Groups of Americans still feel disconnected from the general population because of certain people who keep the paranoia alive for their own selfish interests."
I agree with you to a certain extend here.
The people that feel disconnected are
A.) part of a radical group such as the kkk who feel the world is encroaching on them
B.) Honest immigrants who think Americans disslike them for being of one faith or from being from a certain country

Yes it is an American discussion, but the world comes in and watches what we post and how we react to it, and what are the internal issues of America, what we are thinking. I think this topic has been beaten like a dead horse because we've had several posts about congress, and their lack of work, and enthusiasm for money.

Edited by ussr1943, 17 August 2007 - 06:37 AM.

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 10:57 AM

ussr, I find your questions very curious. I had your signature translated and this is what came up:

" Moscow! Time, two, three! Moscow! Look! Pioneers there go, songs to Lenin sing " special troops, FSB Spetznaz, FSB

I spent six months with a Russian family who has emigrated here - legally. They are a very cultured people, and I really enjoyed getting to know them. I submit that you do not live in America. You recently got so upset with someone's reference to communism and I recall responding to you, to sooth your upset that somehow Lenin and Marx followers had been attacked. Why do you call yourself USSR? That Union has not existed since 1991, under the wise direction of Mikhail Gorbachev. From what I know about Russia, all its young men are required to serve in its army. Is your signature a marching song for your army? Are you still in love with Mother Russia and Father Lenin? That's okay with me, sir, if that is what you want for yourself.

Let me make it clear to you: I love America. My problem is not with America, but with what is happening here, now. It is our culture that is under attack, by posers that use our freedoms against us. Your questions about Congress on your Bleeping homepage appear to be researching why it acts like it does. I don't mind being quizzed about what's happening here, but I do not appreciate the misrepresentation of yourself. Russia and America are political allies now. I felt deep sorrow for the suffering the people endured during the transition from socialism to capitalism. The former USSR could have benefited from some "nation building" consulting, if we had considered offering that service. In those days, America didn't *do* Nation BUilding, but I feel that those countries would have been a much more willing student than what is happening now in the Middle East, because Theocracy was not a hurdle to be overcome as in the Middle East. Japan eagerly accepted the restoration after WW2, and went on to surpass the U.S. in many business ventures.

I still feel this subject does not belong here. I think Americans know exactly to what I refer, and there are many political activist groups and ways available for us to communicate with our leaders. That is how we defeated ShAmnesty.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 11:02 AM

They are all quite wealthy men. Who neither need Compensation, Health careplans or retirement funding. What as savings in tax dollars. How many needy families could benefit if that total package would be applied toward them.
The other parts of the question aren't in line with the poll.

Updates on new bills
I would think they need updates on new bills.

How to make contact
yes we need to know how to make contact

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 11:04 AM

If anyone votes yes....they must be a congressman/woman. If not, then they should be thrown in a monkey cage and have poo thrown at them.

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:56 PM

Greetings all. I think I didn't design this poll correctly. The name of the post is not the poll question. Spank me!!!

What I was trying to do was announce goofy stuff going on in DC, and get Americans to contact their own legislators to clean up their acts. The poll was to find out if anybody contacted Congress. The "can't" answers would have been for people not living here but would have taken action... It's all goofed up and I'm sorry. Maybe the poll should be removed. Maybe the whole topic should be removed because this is local politics, but the forum is international.

PS: the word spank is not literal, really. Too bad I can't get voice inflections into the words I write.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 03:00 PM

At the request of the starter, I have closed this topic.




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