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 Apr 22 2007, 02:28 AM
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Why can't there be agreements and working together both parties for the future of our great nation? -Ussr1943- -------------------- "Ideas are far more powerful than guns."
"The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards -- and even then I have my doubts." --Eugene H. Spafford "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" |
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Apr 23 2007, 02:37 AM
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 Bleeping Diesel Addicted Group: BC Advisor Posts: 1,643 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Huddleston, VA USA (Home Sweet Home) Member No.: 51,954 |
Honestly, Im fed up with American politics in general. Most candidates are all politically cleansed and refuse to speak out on issues that hurt their chances of being elected (welfare reform, universal health care,and other hot button issues) and those that do are often bashed to no end by their opponents. Private Interest groups fund almost every slanderous Advertisement against a candidate. Frankly it makes me sick.
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Apr 23 2007, 02:43 AM
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 "Bleepin' Aussie Addict" Group: Members Posts: 2,103 Joined: 14-October 06 From: SYDNEY-AUSTRALIA Member No.: 90,018 |
With respect,this Topic has been flogged to death in the Forums.IMHO.
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 Apr 23 2007, 07:42 AM
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 Who is running the store? Group: Members Posts: 1,914 Joined: 26-November 05 From: Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA Member No.: 42,052 |
Politics is just too political.
But, I could be wrong. --------------------  I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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Apr 23 2007, 06:07 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 57,604 |
QUOTE(ussr1943) Ex. everytime you hear about bush in the news your very likely to hear a democrat proclaiming "this is another vietnam, and bush knows nothing", but yet they sit on their but and do nothing. For the first 6 years, what exactly could they "do?" Even now that they have the House, they barely have the Senate...and Bush has openly said he will veto any bill that restricts our occupation. QUOTE(ussr1943) Last presidential race was just amazing I couldn't believe it, With Bush and Kerry goin at it about both each others war records. The reason politicians use slander is that the public responds to it. Look at the early stages of Kerry's campaign; the philosophy was that since Americans are sick of negativity, they'd try a "positive" approach. Look how much good it did? The thing about negative campaigns is that the public simply reacts more strongly. A negative campaign tactic doesn't even have to be true, just nasty enough to stick. Even when the truth is shown, often the damage is already done. Perhaps the question is, why do we as a people respond to such tactics? Why is it not enough for a candidate to state his/her positions and defend them? -------------------- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." - Albert Einstein
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams |
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Apr 24 2007, 03:54 AM
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 Forum Regular Group: Members Posts: 341 Joined: 5-April 07 From: In front of my laptop. Member No.: 122,269 |
I hate politics. It's all about lies, slander, and probably everything else evil. Unfortunately, people always ruin any form of government because a corrupt person always sneaks in. Democracy may have a ton of corruption, but at least we, the citizens, have *some* say in what goes on, however small.
This post has been edited by solaris32: Apr 24 2007, 03:54 AM -------------------- When I'm asking for help, please explain, in detail, every step. Thank you :).
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May 2 2007, 12:53 AM
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 I can see what you post! Group: Members Posts: 6,384 Joined: 14-February 05 Member No.: 12,053 |
You are absolutely right. Politics today is more of finding out what is wrong with your opponent (or finding there skeletons in the closet) than making yourself look better.
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May 2 2007, 08:06 AM
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 Forum Addict Group: Global Moderator Posts: 20,642 Joined: 11-April 04 From: Chicago, Il. Member No.: 113 |
Today American politics, especially at the national level, has been filled up with self-serving politicians more concerned with Party than with actually serving their constituents---their political adds are either slogans or personal attacks because they believe (and perhaps justifiably so) that quick-think will get them elected. One searches for STATESMEN who will speak honestly and about the major problems we face, but we find none.
Cheers, John -------------------- Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should be silent.
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May 2 2007, 11:16 AM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 27-October 06 From: Illinois (the land of strange laws) Member No.: 92,392 |
It is no wonder that the political scene has become so perverted, the amounts of money involved are staggering!
Public Office used to be about Public Service, now it is about Self Service. In times past, people entered the political arena in an effort to help their fellow community members. Now, public office has turned into winning the lottery! Golden parachutes notwithstanding, the amount of lobby money and special interest money is overwhelming. Thus, fealty is not shown to those who elected a representative, but to the money that representative now receives. -------------------- "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." -Albert Camus
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May 2 2007, 05:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 57,604 |
QUOTE(jgweed) One searches for STATESMEN who will speak honestly and about the major problems we face, but we find none. Why is it that when I do find a politician who's had what appears to be a shining career, I either dismiss the individual, thinking to myself, "Naa, this person can't be that good." Or, I simply can't accept that such a politician will actually get elected into the office I'd like him/her to because I've been so disappointed in the past, ie, "this person is just too good to be true, someone like this will never get elected." Is it just that we are simply disillusioned with politics? Or is politics today really that much different than it has ever been in the past? What has changed: us, the system, or both? QUOTE(blueandgold) Public Office used to be about Public Service, now it is about Self Service. In times past, people entered the political arena in an effort to help their fellow community members. Again, has it changed that much, or have we simply become more aware and more ill at ease with the way politics is conducted? Is it because we remember certain public servants in the past and elevate them, as we so often do with historical figures, and then we ask our selves, "...why can't politicians today be like so and so from (enter date here)? As for the money issue, why haven't we restricted the amount a party or candidate can spend? Is it even possible to limit campaign spending in the first place...what with slush funds and other shifty ways that can be used to fund candidates? Perhaps an even better question is this: why do expensive, short, emotion-laden commercials work so well in the first place? Doesn't it say something about us as a culture? Why don't we employ run-off voting so people can choose who they really want without fear of simply electing the politician with the opposite point of view? This post has been edited by locally pwned: May 2 2007, 05:36 PM -------------------- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." - Albert Einstein
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams |
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May 2 2007, 06:01 PM
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Forum Addict Group: Global Moderator Posts: 20,642 Joined: 11-April 04 From: Chicago, Il. Member No.: 113 |
In it's heyday, the city-state of Athens choose its legislators by lot. I think we would be better off following their example.
Regards, John -------------------- Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should be silent.
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May 4 2007, 11:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 489 Joined: 6-August 06 From: USA Member No.: 79,661 |
I think it would be better to choose the average joe, because really what is he/she going to do, vote for whats best for them, thier class, thier community, thier country. Not just some political party.
-------------------- "Ideas are far more powerful than guns."
"The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards -- and even then I have my doubts." --Eugene H. Spafford "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" |
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