It's a scary world out there. I am all against child porn against as the next guy, but if only out of a million laptops that only 132 people had them, it isn't worth it. It's like the DUI checkpoints, if out of 1,000 cars they only stop 1 person that was intoxicated is it worth it? 999 people are inconvenience because an idiot cannot follow the law.

Technically, pictures of your children in the bathtub, shirtless, just goofing around inyour possession counts as child pornography.

How about this? Germany checks 22 million cards for child porn payments

22 MILLION credit card statements SEARCHED, for child porn. Only 232 people were caught. That's 0.001 percent of the search, caught with child porn. Another thing is, what about false positives? What about legitimate adult entertainment purchases, what if they show up, and someone is arrested for that?

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So what do you think constitutes as enough? What about the ISP blocking said sites?

BT puts block on child porn sites

Techdirt: Canadian ISPs Try To Play Whack-A-Mole On Blocking Child

[FYI] (Fwd) Pa. Law to Block Child Porn Online

I don't mind them filtering the Internet for it. But as for the purchases? Why don't they do what our government does with pot busts? Go after the dealers and not the inviduals who carry it? Huh? If you cut off the supply then it can't reproduce..

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So let's here what you have to hear..

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• First do not violate the forum rules!
• Secondly, please keep the topic clean nothing too in depth, we all (or most know) what porn involves we don't need graphic description.
• Please be polite and let's keep this civil. I want to here your opinions and not have this shut down by a mod because someone couldn't keep their cool.

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anyone found guilty of child pornography should be shot and killed. however, all accused should have reasonable ability to defend themselves. a family man who has pictures of his child naked in the bathtub is not a pedophile. common sense can prevail if true consequences are carried out.

i should add that i am a believer in human rights, thus the illegal search of any private belongings af an individual are unconstitutional and should not be allowed. if it can't be done legally, but everyone knows the person is guilty, then the community will take care of itself. i am all for that.

Ok I don't know how it works,but have always wondered why/if content of site had to be established before a license or pemit to have a site is granted. You state what content your're carrying. BC is computer help,IRS is tax, whatever. The sites are somewhat grouped .com, org,or gov. Point is why isn't all porn made '.prn' and easily filtered and monitored if needed. I personnally don't honestly see the need for adult sites as some of those I've seen are sometimes quite degrading and abusive. Not to mention the PC malware. Perhaps another topic.

Now that said there is no place for child porn. I'm not talking of kids in the tub or on the potty. These should just be ignored as I truly don't feel hey are the market for these freaks. But again posession of such and not your family,so ther'd be no other reason to possess, you're guilty.

Now as far as posessing and selling, you're both guilty. Hang em high. Possession of pot, smokes ,booze by a non qualified person is a far different thing. Tho' both ends are guilty here also the crime itself is not a vile act. Children of child porn acts are violated never to heal. Someone needs to pay for that. In the other situation what've you got at worst a hangover.

"if out of 1,000 cars they only stop 1 person that was intoxicated is it worth it?"

Can you put a price on a life? That one could kill someone.

The people they do find need severe! punishment to make a example so other wont do it.

As for child porn yes they should keep searching for it. Dont let them get away with it. When caught severe severe punishment should be placed on them and put in the media what happened to them so they will be made a example of what not to do.

QUOTE(blueandgold04 @ Feb 16 2007, 06:12 AM)

anyone found guilty of child pornography should be shot and killed. however, all accused should have reasonable ability to defend themselves. a family man who has pictures of his child naked in the bathtub is not a pedophile. common sense can prevail if true consequences are carried out.

I wouldn't go so far as to say shoot and kill Pedophiles.I think they are sick and should never be allowed back in society when caught.I am in favour of Sterilisation and think it would have the desired affect.I think the Gov's are far too lenient with their sentanceing of there beasts.Many Pedaphiles here have appealed their sentances and are back working with children,as bus drivers and the like.
There is absolutely no excuse for having Child Porn photos or Videos in your possession ever,fullstop.
We have some very sick people in our society.Most of these offenders operate in secret and often their wives are not even aware of their perversion.
The laws here are absolutely stupid.You are not allowed to take a camera on the beach to take pictures of your family for you Album.You are not allowed to take a camera to a Public swimming pool for the same reason.You may be a pervert taking photos of little kids.A lot of families are missing out on photos they wont have in years to look back on.If a father walks down the street with his arm around his daughter,people now stare and think you may be a predator.It's sick and also sad the way this perception has gotton way out of hand.

This post has been edited by DSTM: Feb 15 2007, 09:13 PM

DSTM. I cannot agree with you more. Society has already conformed to disowning anyone who shows affection for their family. It is disgraceful.

Now what about the laptops being held, and search while going through the airport? This has caused a stir among corporations. About how trade secrets could be exposed.

http://cerc.ca/PDFs/2007_Articles_Karas.pdf

Now when crossing our borders with laptops, even if you know you don't have child porn on your computer our government will still search your laptop (or even portable devices: ie: iPods, mp3 players...)

QUOTE(DSTM @ Feb 15 2007, 09:05 PM)

The laws here are absolutely stupid.You are not allowed to take a camera on the beach to take pictures of your family for you Album.You are not allowed to take a camera to a Public swimming pool for the same reason.You may be a pervert taking photos of little kids.A lot of families are missing out on photos they wont have in years to look back on.If a father walks down the street with his arm around his daughter,people now stare and think you may be a predator.It's sick and also sad the way this perception has gotton way out of hand.

Any body found guilty of making or knowingly possesing child porn should be put away for a very long time with a "I'm a pedophile" tattoo on his/her forhead. if he/she makes it out of prision alive and is convicted again (like I believe 75% are) then it should be "life" with no option for parole or in the case of a actual molester, death. I'd go along with castration as long as it was done with a shotgun.

as far as not being able to take pictures thats just sad, wrong, on so many levels . do they have a "camera police" at the beach ? what about tourist ? I'd be challanging that one in court I think.
are "cherubs" considered child porn there as well ? What ever happened to common sense....

easy solutions to this problem

Step 1) Find the the child porn Sites. Shut them down and arrest the Webmasters

Step 2) Hack them and incorporate a little virus that acts as a GPS tracking program and attaches itself to OS and cannot be removed w/o a complete new install of the OS.

Step 3) Find the Tracking Programs and you've got your pedophiles (I realize this wont work w/ public access computers but its a start)



As for what to do with this scum ever herd of a place called GITMO or Abu Grab

This post has been edited by BlackSpyder: Feb 15 2007, 11:40 PM

Some guy in my home state took a pic of a boy at the ymca as he stepped out of the shower with his cell. He got caught and put away I guess the trial is next. Now all cell phones are banned in the ymca.

QUOTE(no one @ Feb 16 2007, 02:59 PM)

QUOTE(DSTM @ Feb 15 2007, 09:05 PM)

The laws here are absolutely stupid.You are not allowed to take a camera on the beach to take pictures of your family for you Album.You are not allowed to take a camera to a Public swimming pool for the same reason.You may be a pervert taking photos of little kids.A lot of families are missing out on photos they wont have in years to look back on.If a father walks down the street with his arm around his daughter,people now stare and think you may be a predator.It's sick and also sad the way this perception has gotton way out of hand.

Any body found guilty of making or knowingly possesing child porn should be put away for a very long time with a "I'm a pedophile" tattoo on his/her forhead. if he/she makes it out of prision alive and is convicted again (like I believe 75% are) then it should be "life" with no option for parole or in the case of a actual molester, death. I'd go along with castration as long as it was done with a shotgun.

as far as not being able to take pictures thats just sad, wrong, on so many levels . do they have a "camera police" at the beach ? what about tourist ? I'd be challanging that one in court I think.
are "cherubs" considered child porn there as well ? What ever happened to common sense....

Yes 'no one'they have beach patrols on quad bikes in the main season.they are on the look out for anyone taking photos of any anybody else which they consider to be suspect,and of course crowd control.If you want your cell phone confiscated,just hold it up and point it at anyone and take a photo..You have to go to the Police Station and get your phone back after they have finished with it.It happened to some friends of my son at a prominent Sydney Beach.
Living some 50 klms from the beach,it was a nuisance to get the phones back.
While I'm on the subject, the Gov here have Banned some children's nursery rhyme books from Primary Schools and Child care centres,because in their mind,these childrens stories are sending the wrong message.
These are nursery rhyme books that have been around for up to 100 yrs,that you and I read and had our mothers read to us as a child.When is common sense going to prevail?

EDIT.I forgot to mention if the Character in the book is called 'Dick' as in 'Dick Whittington'its a no go.
Also if the story contains words like 'Nigger' 'Sambo' or the like.

This post has been edited by DSTM: Feb 16 2007, 02:27 AM

im not trying to cross threads here, but DSTM, don't you see how everything is related. you say you have nothing to hide (RFID post) and have no way of stopping it all. but look at all this. CONTROL!! the more people know, the more people fear; the more people fear, the more control of their lives they are willing to give up. with increased surveilance comes increased control. if the police were not on the lookout for 'beach camera criminals', this would not be a sore point for beach goers.

it is all very sad. IMO i think it all goes back to the loss of common sense and the stripping of power and control over one's life by our leaders. it is no longer your choice, they decide what is best for you.

as for the children's books, WTF, this is the kind of crap i am talking about. these weak-minded idiots decide that they are not intelligent enough to teach their children, so no parent should have the opportunity. it is a sad turn of events. was this voted on in a referendum?

common sense will prevail when the majority takes back its place as decision maker and ceases to allow a select minority to make all of our decisions for us.

I stand by what I said,that I have nothing to hide and that I am powerless to stop this slide into dictatorship.
Unless there is a complete revolt which history tells us would most likely be bloody,I can only see things getting worse.I know it's all tied together and I only wish I knew the Governments true agenda.Not all the crap they feed us to keep the masses relatively quiet.I am well aware whats going on and seek as much information on the latest changes,which they force upon us.I am a Grandfather,and I will survive the time I have left.My real concern is for my children and my Grandchildren,the cursed life that lay ahead for them if things don't improve.This new trial on a cashless society just started here is a real worry.You have to read all my posts to see exactly where I stand on all these issues.

In answer to your Question,did we have a referendum,the answer is NO.The Gov and the Education Dept make any new laws they wish and we are not consulted.Only told of the changes.A stupid thing in my opinion which I forgot to mention,regarding childrens books,is the Education Dept has put a Picture Story Book in most Primary Schools,for the 4 to 7 yrs olds.Get this,it's a story about a little girl who lives in a Gay Household with 2 Daddy's instead of the norm.I have never heard of anything so stupid.

I haven't got the answers to everything,thats why I spend so much time on these Forums seeking every bit of information I can on various subjects.I am learning every day and give my opinion the same as everyone else.

This post has been edited by DSTM: Feb 16 2007, 02:42 PM

i respect that very much. i don't ever mean to be condescending or righteous. and yes, the revolt will be bloody.

that just blows me away, that parents have no say as to what transpires in their children's education. what a crock political correctness has turned out to be. made everyone soft and afraid.

i don't have children yet, but my wife and i have decided that we will when the time is right. it is frightening, the state of the world and its future.
but if i ever caught a person exploiting my children, all of you would read another obituary a few months down the road. it takes a while to track their movement and look for an opening (know what i mean ). you have to protect kin.

This post has been edited by blueandgold04: Feb 16 2007, 03:11 PM

I agree with what most have said. It is definately worth haveing that much resources on trying to find the people acessing this filth. I'm not very technically minded but Blackspyder seems to have explained things well.

The pictures on the beach can go both ways for me. To hear that they are at least on the look out for people taking photos of children, etc on beaches is a good thing. It shows that at least they are trying to protect us. But to ban cameras altogether seems abit extreme!

I totally agree how being arrested for having photos of your own children in the bath, etc is wrong! Its not as if they are sharing the pics, videos over the interweb. If that was the case then something could be up. (Although its embarrassing to admit) My parents have tapes of me in the bath as they are memories. I dont see it as wrong as its just a bath. Comon sense is definately needed.

As for the other things mentioned about the childrens stories, etc. We are having the exact problem here! Does anyone remember the nursery rhyme "Baa baa black sheep?" They are no longer singing that in schools now as it could be linked to negative views about black people!! Also, "humpty dumpty" is considered too traumatic!!!! What is this world coming too?!?!?